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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by crististm »

rat87 wrote: post #120
umvi wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet Big tech companies are largely left-leaning internally (which isn't surprising since California is the most left leaning state), so there is nothing to fear as long as you lean left yourself, (i.e. I guarantee you won't be censored for left-leaning speech any time soon).

That is definitely not true

"definitely"? Even if true, how do you know either way?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by dboreham »

gfodor wrote: post #32
typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

> inadvertently slip into extremism

Hate when that happens..

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by neaden »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #105
toomuchtodo wrote: post #41

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What other options do you have if you can't educate or have intellectual discourse with people who are fabricating reality or deeply believe in conspiracy theories? It's like trying to pull someone out of a cult like Scientology. Of course, attempt to engage to improve the situation and help someone obtain ground truth on their own from legitimate information sources, but when it's obviously hopeless insulate yoursel…

The problem is not just that the people deciding what gets edited/blocked could, at some point in the future, be Nazis or Stalinists or whatever - bad people censoring the good to make their propaganda be the only thing that's heard. That's bad, but the real problem is this: You can be wrong. You can be wrong when you're absolutely sure that you're right, and you can be wrong on things that really matter. Be very car…

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by BitwiseFool »

eertami wrote: post #347
BitwiseFool wrote: post #259

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Have you ever spent time on the leftist "tankie" / "Chapo trap house" kind of subreddits? Or the Gen Zedong groups that glorify the purge of landlords during the communist revolution in China? If we are really going to go after such people wanting to violently overthrow the government we can't be ignoring the left when they do it.

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Call it whataboutism if you wish, but it's relevant to the discussion when it comes to evenly applying the rules.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by marcosdumay »

andrewem wrote: post #232

You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

That's why you create some sort of police, have them look at those places, and watch if anything leads to some real world movement.

You should also watch it for damaging lies, and have a judiciary system that makes them fix any damage those lies create.

What you don't create is a paraestatal censor authority empowered to cut any information it wants out of the internet. (You don't create an estatal one either, but that's not what we are talking about here.)

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by germinalphrase »

neogodless wrote: post #257
germinalphrase wrote: post #184

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One difference, of course, is that despite there being a significant number of ‘trusted’ sources claiming extensive election fraud - there has been near zero evidence presented by these same sources to defend the claims. That alone should be a red flag that the claims are mere assertions rather than statements of fact.

From my perspective, every article on Reuters included the phrase "claimed without evidence" in regards to election fraud. For me, trusting Reuters, that is sufficient information. From a believer's perspective, articles mentioned affidavits, eye-witness testimony, court cases being filed, and important, trusted people saying something along the lines of "there is evidence the courts are not even considering!" Presum…

The utility of (and general lack of consequences for using) these dishonest rhetorical strategies is unlikely to go away as they are a culmination of the general obstructionist political environment of the DNC/RNC duopoly since (at least) the early 90’s.

We are in a tough place.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by legulere »

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

I don’t think it’s irrelevant. Keeping it off Reddit means that less gullible teenagers (which are a large percentage of Reddit’s user user base) will come into contact with it.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by netsharc »

stronglikedan wrote: post #53
Exuma wrote: post #14

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Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. He said something like "we will remember this day," and not long after condemned violence and supported law enforcement. Then the next day he condemned it again.

> Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. It's not gonna happen, because it didn't happen. I've asked everyone I know to cite the same thing, and no one has been able to. Of course, that won't stop the narrative, because truth has become irrelevant. EDIT: I find it amusing that even the people that have responded to you so far, still haven't actually cited anything yet.

“We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol,” said Mr. Trump. “We’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

From https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-...

I'm going to presume the WSJ did their work properly and you can watch him say those words in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0KIYInLHc - that's a 70 minute long speech claiming (not in the exact words) "we have been defrauded!" and then saying those words. Make a less-than-intelligent, not-shy-to-use-violence (should I cite the demographics of Trump voters for you?), crowd mad and then tell them "We're going to go there and give them a piece of our mind.", geez, what do you expect was going to happen?

No, he never uttered "I want you to go there and beat up the cops with anything you find, break the windows, vandalize the building, and terrorize those lawmakers so they put me back into power.", he's smart enough to never explicitly say things that will get him in trouble, just like the 11780 phone call or asking Comey to back off from Michael Flynn.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by throwaway45349 »

minikites wrote: post #197
edmundsauto wrote: post #138

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It may be shocking, but sometimes companies try to make decisions that benefit them in the long run. Even advertising companies! It makes sense that a toxic environment will turn off people in the long run, and most well intentioned people (ie the majority of Reddit, Google, or FB employees) want to run a platform that adds value and is not a cesspool. The realities of staying in business sometimes override that. I d…

>It makes sense that a toxic environment will turn off people in the long run, and most well intentioned people (ie the majority of Reddit, Google, or FB employees) want to run a platform that adds value and is not a cesspool. I don't think this is supported by the evidence. The evidence: the current state of Twitter, Facebook, etc. None of them have the necessary level of moderation and until they do, they will cont…

There is not enough people in the world to moderate social media.
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