Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by ianbutler » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #174

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

If you wonder why they are threatened consider parler and the things people post there. Please forgive the language it is verbatim and I think threats of violence are more offensive than bad words. > You had better be ready partriots! It is go time very soon. We must attack all central communications to big cities are democratic cities. Fiber optics telecom bridges supply routes we can starve those motherfuckers to d…

I am of the potentially unpopular mindset that we need to get our hands dirty to preserve our freedoms from these people. Worrying about being a gatekeeper when these people gladly, and openly, threaten our peace and lives is ridiculous.

Let's shut them down, shut them out and generally rebuke them. History shows that higher order ideals generally need to be preserved with actions when words have failed, and make no mistake we are past words with these folks.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

caturopath wrote: post #165

ddingus wrote: post #79

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I do not even think it is morbid. 70 million people voted for Trump. Understanding them better is not a bad thing. Does not mean agreeing with them. And yes, same.

I don't think it's entirely fair to suggest that thedonald.win represents the 70 million Trump voters. It represents the attitudes of a few million of the weirdos, distorted further by roleplayers/trolls and international infiltrators. Your average Trump voter is just a normal Republican. They voted for Trump because there was an R next to his name and defended him because he was on their team. The Democratic voters…

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by cercatrova » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

andrewem wrote: post #232

You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

This is the paradox of tolerance. We can tolerate having a free internet but if it leads to the intolerant taking over and making everything worse, we need to be intolerant of them now, not later.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #275

gfodor wrote: post #240

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I agree with you, my argued solution to most of the problems surrounding the Internet is regulation which will create emergent conditions to incentivize decentralization. The design of the Internet got us about 90% of what we needed, but we need our government to close the final 10% of the gap to realize the full benefits of the thesis of the Internet, much like anti-trust laws are a pre-requisite to realize maximal…

What sort of regulation would you like to see? I've heard folks suggest making it criminal to share or sell user data, for instance, which would be the death of freemium services.

I haven't thought much about the lower level network stacks but I think social media platforms of a certain size ought to have certain legal requirements to do things that incentivize interoperability or allow competing platforms to emerge (perhaps non-commercial ones.) Primarily things around APIs and data formats.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Exuma » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #348

bdamm wrote: post #200

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Because I've already done this for so many other people that I'm exhausted. Go f*cking read the speech yourself. What did he think would happen when he asked his supporters to "talk to their representatives" literally as they are voting? Go have a nice cup of tea?

They are sea-lioning. They are going to constantly ask for "evidence", and then when provided for it, act as if it's biased/false/non-existant and then restate the question. The goal is to put all the labor of the conversation and gathering of sources onto you while they just get to reply: "I don't believe that, the MSM is biased, show me another source".

Are you claiming MSM isn't biased?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Dylan16807 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #278

Dylan16807 wrote: post #49

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They definitely didn't need that disclaimer. And it's a lot more complicated than who you voted for out of two choices.

There are always more than "two choices". This "two choices" bullshit is the cause of Trump's entire presidency.

If you're looking at it from that point of view, nowhere near half voted for Trump.

And the real problem is first past the post, not the way you look at the votes.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by zionic » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

bythckr wrote: post #315

This is not an original idea/thought that I have, but feel repeating it is vital: This whole censorship crusade that the Facebook, twitter & now reddit is on is a dangerous precedence we are setting for our society. Whatever they call it, this is censorship. Already due to AI suggesting similar contents on services like Facebook & Youtube and the design of sub-reddits on reddit, we have living inside echo chambers. A…

-Don't like it? Make your own subreddit/group/discord! X

-Don't like it? Make your own image host! X

-Don't like it? Make your own social media! X

-Don't like it? Make your own aggregator! X

-Don't like it? Make your own cloudfare/hosting provider (you are here)

-Don't like it? Make your own ISP!

-Don't like it? Make your own banking/payment infrastructure!

Edit: TIL HN doesn't support emoji

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by throwaway45349 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #84

proverbialbunny wrote: post #50

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Half of the US has been told to not follow the news. Hacker News is a news site so I imagine little to no one on the Trump train is here.

Not in the Trump train themselves, but there are definitely a lot of libertarians on here who believe in absolute free speech - a position that is seen as borderline ridiculous from an European (specifically: German) perspective.

Well, I'm European and also believe in absolute free speech. Doesn't seem that ridiculous to me.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by hstan4 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

3232kjfhdajskf wrote: post #282

This seriously isn't enough. We need to ask for more before it's too late for this country. - Ban all /r/conservative - Ban /r/libertarian - Require pinned posts from /r/politics at all time to keep people properly informed (/r/all) - Create an internal auditing team to start immediately banning users who may have voted for Trump or comment against progressive causes - Work with other social media companies to create…

Ban everyone who disagrees with you and audit users who “MAY” have voted for Trump? That’s your solution?

It’s quite sad that even HN is turning more and more into the likes of /r/politics. Quality discussion is basically down the drain on any thread that has any hint of politics. What comes after banning these people with your “internal auditing team”, re-education camps for the half of the country you hate?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 7:07 PM UTC

vdnkh wrote: post #202

gfodor wrote: post #147

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You're oversimplifying this as well as constructing a strawman argument which implies it's a simple issue. It's not. You are on Hacker News, do you think people here are think that the framing you make is objectively the singular one that has any moral standing?

What a fantastic rant

OK, so you went with "lol fag" (as per pg's hierarchy of rebuttals) - I tried :)