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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet Big tech companies are largely left-leaning internally (which isn't surprising since California is the most left leaning state), so there is nothing to fear as long as you lean left yourself, (i.e. I guarantee you won't be censored for left-leaning speech any time soon).

We need a name for this, when USA conservatives are so sheltered from political thought that they can't tell the Left from the Centre-Right. Lots of leftist stuff has been censored in 2020, yet one repeatedly encounters this blissfully ignorant sentiment. https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/1320078487970041856

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Facts. We're talking about educating on facts, not fiction or subjection positions.

Which facts? Could you elaborate?

There is no proof of material voting fraud or irregularities, for example. If you believe otherwise, you are fabricating a reality. If you communicate these lies to others, you are contributing to a disinformation campaign.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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What else is new, censorship is OK as long as only one side is doing it.

No one is being censored. You’re perfectly welcome to go on 4chan or breitbart or parler or even other subreddits or just build a new platform. No one is entitled to use other people’s resources and effort to have their views amplified without moderation by those people offering that service. Edit: every time I post a comment like this here I get downvoted. I’m not complaining, downvote away. But I have to wonder if…

>You’re perfectly welcome to go on /pol/

Fixed it for ya ;)

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.

Example?

Although more complicated than just "provider bans speech", this was an interesting case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Technology_Center_v.....

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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That's the danger in going to such lengths to shut down disagreeable viewpoints. People say "make your own website", but that becomes a race to the bottom when we start politicizing server hosts and ISPs. When you completely shut people up, that doesn't mean they're gone, and now you don't know what they're thinking. Meanwhile you're actually tyrannical because a monopoly on information makes the mass 80% believe tha…

What other options do you have if you can't educate or have intellectual discourse with people who are fabricating reality or deeply believe in conspiracy theories? It's like trying to pull someone out of a cult like Scientology. Of course, attempt to engage to improve the situation and help someone obtain ground truth on their own from legitimate information sources, but when it's obviously hopeless insulate yoursel…

> people who are fabricating reality

good luck on forbidding all religious speech and fiction on the internet!

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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I'm generally against the idea of banning subreddits because they just move elsewhere. However, if this is going to be the official stance of Reddit admins, I encourage them to take a look at /r/sino and a few other communities that regularly violate the rules.

What is wrong with /r/sino?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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As someone who voted for Joe Biden, I'm not surprised at all by the current response from the right, even those who aren't hell bent on supporting Trump. Silencing people doesn't make them go away or give up,it makes them double down on their beliefs (whether based on conspiracy theories or not) and continue to escalate. Good faith arguments and honest media are how we solve this problem, not by banning people we disagree with just to feel good on the inside.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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There's a difference between attacking the Capitol and attacking a Pizza Hut. There's also a difference between a protestor throwing a firework at a courthouse and taking tactical gear and weapons with a couple hundred buddies into a legislature. This equivalence between BLM and the mobbing of the Capitol is confusing to be because it's so obviously a false one.

> There's a difference between attacking the Capitol and attacking a Pizza Hut What's the difference? In both cases the stated goal of the protests was not to "break stuff" so if that ends up happening, is that the protest's fault? > There's also a difference between a protestor throwing a firework at a courthouse and taking tactical gear and weapons with a couple hundred buddies into a legislature. What about armed…

The Pizza Hut isn't in the process of processing Electoral College votes for the next president of the United States. Disrupting the delivery of pizzas is not in the same category as disrupting the selection of the president.

This wasn't just a riot. It wasn't just a protest. Wasn't just an attack on a building. It wasn't just some vandalism. It was an attack on the last step of the presidential election process.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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I disagree, as someone who observed this site as well as everything else, I can tell you at least for me my prior was heavily influenced by the shift in tone, sentiment, and desperation I observed there relative to the usual din of more front-facing social media grifters.

Oh, I think that’s just a convoluted way of saying you lived in a bubble. It was quite clear that this was going to happen. No one on my timeline is shocked at all. In fact, I’ve been complaining about these deplorables since 2013 (even before the phrase was coined).

What bubble are you referring to? Saying it was obvious now doesn't say anything about having good predictive ability. My recollection is up until about Monday, most people were asleep on this. And then around Tuesday the zeitguest was this was going to be a dumb clown show. The number of people claiming that violence was inevitable and the capitol was going to be stormed, outside of the obvious circles, was in my experience marginal.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

As I've been saying here in HN. The political divide is the democrats. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charts-americas-political-d...

Put your finger on the Median Republican line and it either moves left or stays put. The political divide has not been the republicans.

In the last year that changed for many reasons. The republicans have now moved. That political divide is now much larger. That 'more extreme' that you've noticed is because the political divide has shifted.

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