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To people who think Tether manipulates Bitcoin price: How do you explain Bitcoin doing so well on Coinbase when Tether is NOT ACCEPTED on Coinbase???

If BTC's price is manipulated anywhere, the market adjusts for it everywhere.

That makes no sense. Again, how can someone manipulate Bitcoin on Coinbase with Tether when Tether is NOT accepted?

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However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". Gold morphed from worthless rocks in the the ground, to coins traded by traveling merchants, to stores of value that were eventually centraliz…

> RE: Tether I don't trust them either, but we need more evidence of this alleged printing. We saw that they did remove the 1:1 peg briefly when Crypto Capital in Panama (?) froze a few hundred million of their USD. Tether's page ( https://wallet.tether.to/transparency ) claims $23.6 billion in total assets. Despite their claims to transparency, I see no report of what those assets are, how risky those assets are, or…

Especially considering their last auditor walked away from the situation, I'd say the whole project reeks.

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Investopedia has: >Fiat money is a government-issued currency that isn't backed by a commodity such as gold. Tether fails the government-issued bit.

In what meaningful way is Tether not a fiat currency?

The not government issued bit would become pretty meaningful if they get shut down or collapse. They are more like IOU notes for fiat currency - Tether owes you one US$.

Re: Tether price manipulation

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The problem is that in the early days of @Bitfinex'ed this was all a bit of a sideshow because there was genuinely large interest from retail and the outcome of crypto was far less certain. However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". But in the depths of the March panic, Tether jum…

However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". Gold morphed from worthless rocks in the the ground, to coins traded by traveling merchants, to stores of value that were eventually centraliz…

> The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network.

That’s like saying the killer app of the internet is the internet.

The web gives me access to information quicker and easier than going to a library or bookshop. Email and IM means I can communicate with people in other countries quicker and easier than I could by post. Crypto doesn’t change anything.

A few drug dealers and some people living in countries with hyperinflation may care about “permissionlessness” and “censorship* resistance”, but for most people, actual money is far, far more convenient.

* That’s some Orwellian newspeak, btw. If someone defrauds me and a court of law ensures that I am restituted, the reversal of that fraudulent transaction isn’t “censorship” because stealing money isn’t “speech” or “expression”.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". Gold morphed from worthless rocks in the the ground, to coins traded by traveling merchants, to stores of value that were eventually centraliz…

> The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network. That’s like saying the killer app of the internet is the internet. The web gives me access to information quicker and easier than going to a library or bookshop. Email and IM means I can communicate with people in other countries quicker and easier than I could by post. Crypto doesn’t change anything. A few drug dealers…

Digital gold is the kill app. That is enough to justify its market cap.

For example, Chinese can use bit coin to exchange large amount of funds to other currency, although this can only be done in private because the official ban.

Re: Tether price manipulation

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The problem is that in the early days of @Bitfinex'ed this was all a bit of a sideshow because there was genuinely large interest from retail and the outcome of crypto was far less certain. However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". But in the depths of the March panic, Tether jum…

The killer app for Bitcoin is escaping government fiat money that is backed by literally nothing at all and is being printed at increasingly alarming rates. 40% of all USD ever created were “made” in 2020. That will have repercussions for decades and isn’t a currency I want to stay in. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1 Ironically (or not) Bitcoin was created in 2009 right when that graph gets really crazy.

> government fiat money that is backed by literally nothing at all

It would be really nice for people to spend even a few minutes thinking about how money works, or open a textbook even just to learn what you disagree with.

It's tiresome to explain over and over and over again to people how the "full faith and credit of the United States" is not "nothing at all" but in fact a guarantee of great value, at least as good as any on any other security, and one that is quite measurable (by for example comparing the prices of full faith and credit securities with other almost identical securities without this guarantee).

On the contrary, I'd say that it's the cryptocurrencies that _by design_ are based on nothing at all.

Re: Tether price manipulation

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The problem is that in the early days of @Bitfinex'ed this was all a bit of a sideshow because there was genuinely large interest from retail and the outcome of crypto was far less certain. However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". But in the depths of the March panic, Tether jum…

The killer app of Bitcoin is Ransomware.

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Most global payments are transactions, not cash transfers, and the transacting parties have banking relationships that make those transfers low cost and strictly superior to Bitcoin.

As a freelancer based in EU working on some US projects, I'm forced to pay 5.5% fee to PayPal or some fix fee to the banks (SWIFT payment). Plus conversion fee from USD to EUR (or my local currency). That's too high for just a simple thing as receiving money from different country. Really looking forward for that Strike Global.

Use Revolut

Re: Tether price manipulation

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If BTC's price is manipulated anywhere, the market adjusts for it everywhere.

That makes no sense. Again, how can someone manipulate Bitcoin on Coinbase with Tether when Tether is NOT accepted?

It does make sense. The price of BTC in USD is roughly the same on every exchange. If some exchanges allow USD and USDT interchangeably, the BTC price can be driven up by trades that are conducted in USDT. The price on Coinbase will adapt to that.
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