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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by cultus »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #106
typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

> they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down Wow, that sucks. What ISP is that? Why can't they just take the money and host the service without censoring other people?

There's consequences.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by andrewem »

You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant.

“The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Bayart »

thotsBgone wrote: post #93
Bayart wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.

Example?

Back when I was a kid the red-headed step children of the Internet were the warez, neo-nazi, « revolutionary » (read bomb-making), spam and snuff sites. I'm probably missing a few categories. And that's just the contentious stuff. There are things that even the most zealous free speech maniacs would have a hard time convincing themselves should be allowed even a modicum of publicity. Child porn is the most blatant one.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by icefrakker »

It's weird how censorship is so frowned upon when it comes to other sites but not here. This site is censored like no other site I've used before. Of course people defend censorship for this site: yeah yeah you want a certain audience. How come that's okay here but when reddit does it it's a war crime? Y'all shameless hypocrites.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by sillycon-valley »

caturopath wrote: post #165
ddingus wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not even think it is morbid. 70 million people voted for Trump. Understanding them better is not a bad thing. Does not mean agreeing with them. And yes, same.

I don't think it's entirely fair to suggest that thedonald.win represents the 70 million Trump voters. It represents the attitudes of a few million of the weirdos, distorted further by roleplayers/trolls and international infiltrators. Your average Trump voter is just a normal Republican. They voted for Trump because there was an R next to his name and defended him because he was on their team. The Democratic voters…

You'd be surprised that Trump supporters are outside the Republican realm. If you spent 5 minutes on TDW you'd see they hate most establishment Republicans. This isn't new either, it started with Ron Paul and then the Tea Party movement.

I'd say overall the majority on TDW are leaning more towards libertarian than conservative. Certain things like freedom of speech, 2nd amendment rights, limited government and spending are shared ideals. Other things like pro-marijuana, pro-life, Christianity are depicted and respected but differ between supporters and less popular then the ideals everyone agrees on.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by zionic »

whymauri wrote: post #63
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #36

I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

I'm willing to bet it'll go the same way as Voat. Except Voat actually had a diversity of topics to discuss when it founded (although it turned to garbage in a few weeks), this website is laser focused on one demagogue.

Pretty sure its way above voat in terms of traffic, and now with admins purging the top /r/conspiracy mod they're moving there as well.

The .win ecosystem is trying to parallel reddit and its doing so much faster by pulling in high profile departures.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by caturopath »

sjaak wrote: post #27
typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

Isn’t it strange that you have to make a disclaimer like “please don’t judge me?”. Quite literally 1/2 of the USA voted for Trump, should you automatically be ashamed of that? (It’s easy for me to say ofc, I have no horse in this race)

It's a little strange indeed -- the US is at a very polarized time, where discussing such a mainstream thing as supporting Trump is treated like a breach of decorum by some. Very surreal in some ways.

That being said, identifying that the support for Trump is about 50/50 does not _really_ tell the right story here with thedonald.win -- this isn't a representative of the ~half of us in the US who voted for Trump (or would if we voted)...it's a representation of a small, extreme culture, part real and part just trolling.

I doubt OP would have apologized quite so hard for watching Fox News. Fox News's editorial content is somewhat to the right of the average Republican voter, but not by nearly as much as thedonald.win -- that's something that represents mainstream Trump voter (aka Republican voter) worldview.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor »

dleslie wrote: post #203
gfodor wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worry about all of that as well, but the problem with your last point is you are opening the door for network providers to be the arbiters of what is considered radicalization or not. They shouldn't be the decider of that, our laws should. If the FBI tells them to shut something down with a legal order, and our society has concluded it is just, so be it. In the limit what you would get is a world where speech is ba…

Eh, curation and moderation is a valuable service that many are willing to pay for. The issue isn't that service providers are arbiters, the problem is that there are so few service providers that one can meaningfully choose from due in large part to the difficulty of taking one's social network along with you. If service providers had federated communication then it would be a different story.

I agree with you, my argued solution to most of the problems surrounding the Internet is regulation which will create emergent conditions to incentivize decentralization. The design of the Internet got us about 90% of what we needed, but we need our government to close the final 10% of the gap to realize the full benefits of the thesis of the Internet, much like anti-trust laws are a pre-requisite to realize maximal benefits from capitalism. (Not getting into an argument about that here, it's just an analogy in this very narrow sense of regulation leading to outsized benefits.)
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