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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by raldi »

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

> one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic

> constantly DDoSd

Hmm...

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by dleslie »

proverbialbunny wrote: post #97
sjaak wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it strange that you have to make a disclaimer like “please don’t judge me?”. Quite literally 1/2 of the USA voted for Trump, should you automatically be ashamed of that? (It’s easy for me to say ofc, I have no horse in this race)

Is it just me or is downvoting tdons' comment bad form given YC's guidelines? Is there something I'm missing here?

From the guidelines:

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by iso1631 »

simonswords82 wrote: post #68
tharne wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies don't have morals, they have interests. You're just being realistic.

...and shareholders - who must be kept happy at all times.

Given that the dow jones closed at a record high while the confederate flag was flying in the capitol building, I think that shareholders are quite happy

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Rebelgecko »

Traster wrote: post #51
slg wrote: post #13

The cynic in me can't help but notice that all these platforms are suddenly growing a backbone now that we know Democrats will control both the executive and legislative branches.

I think it's impossible to say. The fact that the capitol got stormed the same day as the democrats won control means it's impossible to disaggregate. It might be a cynical move by Facebook but is it also a cynical move by Betsy Devos? What difference did democrat control make to her?

Resign in the last 2 weeks of his presidency when their jobs don't really matter, make the transition process marginally more complicated by leaving, avoid having to take a stand on the 25th amendment, and they can start trying to rehabilitate their images by pretending they were shocked by the administration they've been a part of for 3.9 years

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by scarmig »

umvi wrote: post #98
gfodor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet Big tech companies are largely left-leaning internally (which isn't surprising since California is the most left leaning state), so there is nothing to fear as long as you lean left yourself, (i.e. I guarantee you won't be censored for left-leaning speech any time soon).

Well, it depends on who's the One True Left. Most TERFy folks also identify as left wing and structure their arguments around historically progressive concepts like anti-essentialist conceptions of gender, but they're already kind of on the chopping block.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by manfredo »

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

> Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me)

Agreed - though I find it's more of a headache than scary. On end, I don't like the fact that increasingly internet infrastructure is acting as a de facto judge in deciding what speech is and isn't allowed. I empathize with both parties. ISPs don't want to host speech they feel is abhorrent, and I'd probably do the same thing were I in their position.

I'm much more accepting of platforms like Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, et. al. taking down groups and banning members than I am of infrastructure providers doing the same. The former kicks people off of large communities, but people can still put together their own websites. When it gets the the point that I might not even be able to serve plain HTML that I wrote myself, because nobody will even let it go through the wires that's when I start thinking utility regulation in ISPs, DNS, etc. is necessary.

Cloudflare's CEO was very humble when taking down sites. When talking about taking down the Daily Stormer, "Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet... No one should have that power.” [1] I largely agree, though I'd offer the caveat that something needs to have this power but it should be an institution like the courts rather than individuals in corporations.

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing...

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by mywittyname »

llbeansandrice wrote: post #89
Traster wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's impossible to say. The fact that the capitol got stormed the same day as the democrats won control means it's impossible to disaggregate. It might be a cynical move by Facebook but is it also a cynical move by Betsy Devos? What difference did democrat control make to her?

> What difference did democrat control make to her? Nothing imo. Before it was probable that there could be careers and jobs outside of the presidency. With these moves it seems like Trump decided to make his bed with the worst of his base and a lot of people have finally decided that it's a bridge too far. Last-minute attempts to distance themselves after playing along the entire time.

I don't think you know who DeVos or her family is. Her family owns the largest private military in the world. They don't need jobs; they aren't going anywhere. They are going to continue shoving billions of dollars of government funds into their pockets.

They will be standing right there to fill key cabinet roles for the next Republican administration.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by edmundsauto »

simonswords82 wrote: post #75
edmundsauto wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kicking them off is advantageous for Reddit because they no longer have to deal with the dramas.

True, but they also sacrifice eyeballs and revenue.

It may be shocking, but sometimes companies try to make decisions that benefit them in the long run. Even advertising companies! It makes sense that a toxic environment will turn off people in the long run, and most well intentioned people (ie the majority of Reddit, Google, or FB employees) want to run a platform that adds value and is not a cesspool.

The realities of staying in business sometimes override that. I don’t think we should consider it a default.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by electrotype »

mckirk wrote: post #82
electrotype wrote: post #26

For those who like to hear from both sides, without such biased moderation, https://ruqqus.com is an option.

After a cursory check of the "frontpage" there... yeah, it doesn't seem very balanced. More like "r/The_Donald"-lite, with even some anti-vaxx stuff thrown in.

They do promote free speech, from all sides. Just join and give your opinion if you do not agree with something.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by sillycon-valley »

cultus wrote: post #99
ddingus wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not even think it is morbid. 70 million people voted for Trump. Understanding them better is not a bad thing. Does not mean agreeing with them. And yes, same.

I think most of us understand them perfectly well at this point. Quit carrying water for fascists, it's gross.

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