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Re: Tether price manipulation

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I have a question, isn't the problem with the gold standard that the amount of dollars is fixed and in order to have enough currency to drive a rapidly growing economy you would in essence be buying a gallon of milk for .25 cents? It seems to me that either you the amount of currency in circulation needs to increase or the value of the existing currency needs to increase. Taking into account the gold standard was use…

My rule of thumb for money supply: adjustable, with a benign regulator > fixed > adjustable, with a corrupt regulator So, the aim shouldn't be a return to the gold standard or a switch to BTC, but to make sure that central banks can do their job without interference from politicians.

To the left of that list I'd put "self-adjusting, without needing a regulator."

Hayek argued that a system of competitive privately-issued currencies would achieve that. I'm not qualified to say whether he was correct, but an economy built on cryptocurrencies would be exactly that.

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I think the scaling limitations were well known at the beginning. If Bitcoin were to get as large as visa/mastercard the blockchain would be growing at a rate of a few gigabytes per day, which would kill decentralization.

the limitations have been researched extensively outside of the echo chamber of bitcoin development. It is possible to scale a utxo system like bitcoins to hundreds of millions of txs per day. Xthinner[1] can compress blocksizes by 99%, but bitcoin devs have ignored this with handywavy arguments. [1] https://github.com/jtoomim/xthinner-spec

A bitcoiner pinged me and asked for my comment here. It really sucks that people are so easily bamboozled by dishonest scammers.

In the original bitcoin software a node would receive every transaction made while it was online twice: once when the transaction was first relayed, once when it was placed into blocks. This was obviously wasteful, so we created and deployed a reconciliation scheme that exploits the fact that normally all, or almost all the included transactions are already known. https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0152.mediawi...

But because Bitcoin developers are not dishonest scammers they didn't run around putting out (no kidding) press releases claiming "98.6% compression"-- though that's what you get if you compare the size of the BIP152 message to the size of the block. In reality, since it depends on the transaction being known in advance the unachievable limit for this class of approaches is a 50% bandwidth reduction for a node compared to the original behaviour. BIP152 achieves 49.3% out of that 50%, as measured on the latest block.

Even before compact blocks was created back in December 2015, we knew even smaller could be achieved. E.g. we published a scheme that requires asymptotically 0 bytes per transaction, only requiring data proportional to size of the difference between the block and the recipients guess at the next block. But what we found is that the simpler scheme actually propagated blocks much faster because once the block is down to just a few thousand bytes other factors (like CPU time) dominate. Expending a lot of additional code and cpu time to take 49.3% closer to 50% isn't a win in actual usage.

[And for considerations other than block propagation, saving a few extra bytes per block is extremely irrelevant.]

It's also the case that some of these dishonestly hyped supposed improvements beyond what Bitcoin has done for years are actually totally brain-damaged and wouldn't work in practice because they're not robust against attack-- but there isn't much reason to dive into technical minutia because what they _claim to achieve_, once you strip off the dishonest marketing, isn't all that interesting.

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The problem is that in the early days of @Bitfinex'ed this was all a bit of a sideshow because there was genuinely large interest from retail and the outcome of crypto was far less certain. However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". But in the depths of the March panic, Tether jum…

However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". Gold morphed from worthless rocks in the the ground, to coins traded by traveling merchants, to stores of value that were eventually centraliz…

> RE: Tether I don't trust them either, but we need more evidence of this alleged printing. We saw that they did remove the 1:1 peg briefly when Crypto Capital in Panama (?) froze a few hundred million of their USD.

Tether's page (https://wallet.tether.to/transparency) claims $23.6 billion in total assets. Despite their claims to transparency, I see no report of what those assets are, how risky those assets are, or any audit that assets they even own those assets. Their front page has a big link saying "Proof of funds", which leads to an audit published 2½ years ago, claiming only $2.5 billion in cash in two bank accounts with unnamed banks.

For a company that claims to be "always fully transparent," that is shockingly opaque.

Re: Tether price manipulation

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like I mentioned above, it is speculated that they are the ones who are printing the tether, then use that to buy bitcoin. They are then probably hoping that whoever receives tether for selling their bitcoin does not immediately want usd, but instead is happy with the tether as it is 'backed 1:1'. (Again, I have to stress that this is a theory i read somewhere on the internet, while lots of things add up, it may also…

> But who is selling their (temporarily) valuable bitcoin for worthless tether instead of USD? You're asking what the utility of stablecoins is: Stablecoins are widely used as a legislatively advantageous on- and off-ramp for the whole crypto market. Off-ramp: If people want to sell BTC or other volatile tokens because they want to realize profits, the obvious thing would be to sell for fiat (USD/EUR). But due to tax…

> If people want to buy a certain token they first go into Tether. This is usually for bypassing local legislation

That alone should be a red flag.

I know there are a lot of narratives about people in repressive governments using Bitcoin to take their meager savings out of the country or carrying their net worth across borders in mind wallets, but Tether isn't targeting these people.

Tether has very high minimum purchases. They cater (supposedly) to extremely wealthy clients who, for whatever reason, would rather use a questionable intermediary instead of going straight to any one of the major financial institutions offering BTC to purchase their bitcoin. If you had told me in 2015 that it was difficult to purchase BTC as an institution, I would have believed you. In 2021, there isn't much reason to do end-runs around regulations unless you're deliberately trying to launder money and/or dodge taxes.

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> The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network. Yes, but what can I do with that other than toot/tweet/twit at other people and buy LSD tabs?

With Bitcoin you own property that can never be confiscated or debased by any government. With IPFS you can host and access files that can't be censored. (same level of censorship resistance as torrents) With Monero you can transact free from surveillance. The biggest applications on Ethereum right now is decentralized finance, with billions of dollars locked in.

> With Bitcoin you own property that can never be confiscated or debased by any government.

So the killer app for bitcoin is owning bitcoin?

Re: Tether price manipulation

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The problem is that in the early days of @Bitfinex'ed this was all a bit of a sideshow because there was genuinely large interest from retail and the outcome of crypto was far less certain. However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". But in the depths of the March panic, Tether jum…

> Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold".

M. Saylor is preaching this it seems. It's just a better asset (less supply, no mass~)

Re: Tether price manipulation

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The problem is that in the early days of @Bitfinex'ed this was all a bit of a sideshow because there was genuinely large interest from retail and the outcome of crypto was far less certain. However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". But in the depths of the March panic, Tether jum…

However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold". Gold morphed from worthless rocks in the the ground, to coins traded by traveling merchants, to stores of value that were eventually centraliz…

> The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network.

That's the "how" part, not the "what". What's the killer app implemented using that network? What do we do with it?

Re: Tether price manipulation

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Yes - none of this proves that Tether has any reserves. It just proves that someone else believes they do...which we already know.

This is moving the goalposts. I don't think anyone thinks tether has full reserves. They literally admitted that they don't[1]. However your original claim of "you can't redeem USDT" is misleading at best. [1] wikipedia: "On 30 April 2019 Tether Limited's lawyer claimed that each tether was backed by only $0.74 in cash and cash equivalents"

That was after how many years of Tether insisting that they had 1:1 reserves, talking about audits thereof, threatening lawsuits against people who said they didn't?

... and many many crypto-fans naysaying anyone who didn't believe them.

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