Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

111–120 of 124 posts

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#111

Post by Anon1096 »

jihadjihad wrote: post #82
Mizza wrote: post #29

I once got a DMCA takedown request (well, Wikipedia did because of my edit) from Texas Instruments for the following numbers: p = B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD q = B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB d = 4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927 6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1 which can be used to s…

Wow, that's crazy! It is a wild concept that certain numbers could be deemed "illegal" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

It isn't the number that is illegal, it's the number plus information on how to use it.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#112

Post by muttled »

corrund wrote: post #107
Mizza wrote: post #29

I once got a DMCA takedown request (well, Wikipedia did because of my edit) from Texas Instruments for the following numbers: p = B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD q = B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB d = 4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927 6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1 which can be used to s…

Why not just add 1 to the number (and mention it in the text)? When this fails, add 2, and so on.

I would assume most judges would view this akin to ignoring the DMCA request. It would be like altering a single bit in an MP3 and saying that it's no longer the exact original, even though you put out instructions telling the downloader to change the bit back.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#113

Post by zdragnar »

jtbayly wrote: post #97
dragonwriter wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Copyright is not like an AGPL software license that claims/poisons everything it touches. Obviously, it is, since the only mechanism copyleft licenses have to claim/poison things the licensed material “touches” is the copyright doctrine of derivative works, and the licensable exclusive rights the original work’s copyright owner has to create derivative works.

I don't think that's quite right. They can prohibit your use of the program unless you agree to and follow the rules they establish. They are able to do that prohibition using copyright, but isn't it proof that copyright doesn't necessarily do that the fact that there are other very different licenses?

Copyright, by default, is not at all permissive. Every license (including viral ones) are more permissive than the legal default standing, not less.

This is why one company I worked for refused to let us use Webpack 1.x- a dependency of a dependency was an ancient npm module from the time that adding licenses to modules wasn't very common. It wasnt until the 2.x line came out that they finally updated to a version that updated to a version that didn't have that problem.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#114

Post by pjmlp »

johnnycerberus wrote: post #84
pjmlp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except Nokia is pretty much around, their business was more than just mobile phones, and happen to own Bell Labs nowadays.

Nokia's Bell Labs is only focused on 5G and 6G technologies. I mean judging by the papers they release they are now a far cry from the wide research spectrum that they had before.

The point being they still exist and focus on what is profitable.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#115

Post by jdc »

h_anna_h wrote: post #99
jihadjihad wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, that's crazy! It is a wild concept that certain numbers could be deemed "illegal" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

child porn images are numbers

You're not wrong, but this is a slippery slope to go down.

8.3.4. "How will privacy and anonymity be attacked?"

[...]

like so many other "computer hacker" items, as a tool for the "Four Horsemen": drug-dealers, money-launderers, terrorists, and pedophiles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#116

Post by finiteloops »

b1ackb0x wrote: post #7

I don’t understand why chipmakers seem to always restrict access to documentation on chips. Their competitors will get it anyway. This only creates more problems for small developers.

In addition to the other answers, it is also a cheap way to do inbound sales. I've seen OSS downloads utilize this for the same reason.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#117

Post by cxr »

corrund wrote: post #107
Mizza wrote: post #29

I once got a DMCA takedown request (well, Wikipedia did because of my edit) from Texas Instruments for the following numbers: p = B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD q = B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB d = 4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927 6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1 which can be used to s…

Why not just add 1 to the number (and mention it in the text)? When this fails, add 2, and so on.

Laws are not bytecode sequences, and courts are not dumb VMs, no matter how much programmers want them to be.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#118

Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

jdc wrote: post #115
h_anna_h wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

child porn images are numbers

You're not wrong, but this is a slippery slope to go down. 8.3.4. "How will privacy and anonymity be attacked?" [...] like so many other "computer hacker" items, as a tool for the "Four Horsemen": drug-dealers, money-launderers, terrorists, and pedophiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...

Not really. We've decided as a society that information can be illegal. Whether that information is encrypted, obfuscated, or whatever, it is still illegal. Everything is a number if you abstract it enough and any number can be transformed into any other number easily. As long as it can be shown that the numbers you're publishing are intentionally being published for the purpose of providing illegal information, you're breaking the law.

The legal system is not like a computer system and tech people who think they can fool it with simple tricks like it was a computer system are in for an unpleasant surprise.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#119

Post by [deleted] »

corrund wrote: post #107
Mizza wrote: post #29

I once got a DMCA takedown request (well, Wikipedia did because of my edit) from Texas Instruments for the following numbers: p = B709D3A0CD2FEC08EAFCCF540D8A100BB38E5E091D646ADB7B14D021096FFCD q = B7207BD184E0B5A0B89832AA68849B29EDFB03FBA2E8917B176504F08A96246CB d = 4D0534BA8BB2BFA0740BFB6562E843C7EC7A58AE351CE11D43438CA239DD9927 6CD125FEBAEE5D2696579FA3A3958FF4FC54C685EAA91723BC8888F292947BA1 which can be used to s…

Why not just add 1 to the number (and mention it in the text)? When this fails, add 2, and so on.

[deleted]

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#120

Post by jtbayly »

zdragnar wrote: post #113
jtbayly wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's quite right. They can prohibit your use of the program unless you agree to and follow the rules they establish. They are able to do that prohibition using copyright, but isn't it proof that copyright doesn't necessarily do that the fact that there are other very different licenses?

Copyright, by default, is not at all permissive. Every license (including viral ones) are more permissive than the legal default standing, not less. This is why one company I worked for refused to let us use Webpack 1.x- a dependency of a dependency was an ancient npm module from the time that adding licenses to modules wasn't very common. It wasnt until the 2.x line came out that they finally updated to a version th…

I see.

Yet my comparison of the human brain still stands, I believe.

Just because you learned about something in art class from looking at a copyrighted work doesn’t make everything you produce after that a derivative work.

Post reply on HN