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Post by wincy »

breck wrote: post #37
wincy wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When our daughter was born with a rare life threatening condition my wife used SciHub to read articles about her condition. While the doctors had merely skimmed the pages, my wife pored over them and found a suggestion of using a particular drug. After asking five different doctors about it, one finally agreed to prescribe it. It was strange how reticent doctors were to prescribe something and instead just told us sh…

This is an incredible and inspiring story. Would love to read more. Could I connect you with some journalists? My contact info is in my profile.

Sure, my wife loves talking about her (it was mostly her, honestly) struggle to get the best care for our daughter, even at a “good” children’s hospital, I’ll send you an email.

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Post by Bedon292 »

illustriousbear wrote: post #25

Hackernews comments were generally onboard with Twitter banning Trump for controversial tweets that can be considered as incitement. As much as I like Sci-Hub, it is clearly a service that disregards and breaches copyright. If you advocate for Twitter exercising a heavy hand on greyer areas (Trump), you shouldn’t be surprised when they do the same for clear breaches of their TOS/Laws (SciHub). It scares me that these…

Twitter has said on a number of occasions [1] that Trump has violated their ToS, but allowed him to stay because it was important for the public to see. That's not a grey area.

In the case of Sci-Hub what part of the ToS do they violate? The message cites counterfeiting, which doesn't seem to apply (unless that's a translation issue?). And if Piracy is a violation of their terms then why are there plenty of piracy torrent websites with Twitter presences still [2]? At least apply it evenly.

[1] https://twitter.com/TwitterComms/status/1266267447838949378 https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1323868590047744000

[2] Not linking directly, just search for the pirate bay, eztv, or any other torrent site. There are at least one or more handles claiming to be them.

Re: Sci-Hub Founder Criticizes Sudden Twitter Ban over “Counterfeit” Content

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Post by djsumdog »

MauranKilom wrote: post #39
illustriousbear wrote: post #25

Hackernews comments were generally onboard with Twitter banning Trump for controversial tweets that can be considered as incitement. As much as I like Sci-Hub, it is clearly a service that disregards and breaches copyright. If you advocate for Twitter exercising a heavy hand on greyer areas (Trump), you shouldn’t be surprised when they do the same for clear breaches of their TOS/Laws (SciHub). It scares me that these…

I can get behind the sentiment of your post, but could you detail how the Sci-Hub twitter account has breached Twitter TOS? Contrast that with Trump who has been very clearly violating twitter TOS on a daily basis.

> Trump who has been very clearly violating twitter TOS on a daily basis

How has Trump violated Twitter's TOS on a daily basis? It feels like every policy that has been put up is typically put up specifically for Trump.

I don't see how people can post photos of Kathy Griffin showing a decapitated Trump head as being kosher, or CNN's Como saying violent protest is constitutionally protected, and claim Trump is violating TOS. It's hypocrisy.

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Post by Method-X »

illustriousbear wrote: post #25

Hackernews comments were generally onboard with Twitter banning Trump for controversial tweets that can be considered as incitement. As much as I like Sci-Hub, it is clearly a service that disregards and breaches copyright. If you advocate for Twitter exercising a heavy hand on greyer areas (Trump), you shouldn’t be surprised when they do the same for clear breaches of their TOS/Laws (SciHub). It scares me that these…

This doesn’t negate your comment but I would like to add that I support Sci-Hub because I think charging for publicly funded content is just wrong on so many levels. Simply put, the laws need to change; and when/if they do, Twitter won’t have to do this sort of thing.

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Post by illustriousbear »

MauranKilom wrote: post #39
illustriousbear wrote: post #25

Hackernews comments were generally onboard with Twitter banning Trump for controversial tweets that can be considered as incitement. As much as I like Sci-Hub, it is clearly a service that disregards and breaches copyright. If you advocate for Twitter exercising a heavy hand on greyer areas (Trump), you shouldn’t be surprised when they do the same for clear breaches of their TOS/Laws (SciHub). It scares me that these…

I can get behind the sentiment of your post, but could you detail how the Sci-Hub twitter account has breached Twitter TOS? Contrast that with Trump who has been very clearly violating twitter TOS on a daily basis.

Sci-hub by its own admission is a service that breaks the law by providing unauthorised access to copyright materials.

I don't know whether Sci-hub has violated Twitter ToS (on the platform) but it doesn't surprise me that Twitter would want to distance itself from an organization that is committed to breaking the law. A more dramatic/extreme example would be whether we would think it is ok for other illegal organisations/services (e.g terrorists) to be on Twitter if they weren't breaking ToS on the platform, I suspect many would say no.

On Trump, it wouldn't surprise me if he broke Twitter ToS on the platform but you would have to admit that his ban would involve greyer interpretation of his tweets than a black-white ban of a service that aims to break the law.

And I say this as a big support of sci-hub too.

Generally speaking delete Facebook/Twitter/etc, I did and it has been a big improvement to my life.

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Post by arp242 »

hndudette2 wrote: post #43
wincy wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When our daughter was born with a rare life threatening condition my wife used SciHub to read articles about her condition. While the doctors had merely skimmed the pages, my wife pored over them and found a suggestion of using a particular drug. After asking five different doctors about it, one finally agreed to prescribe it. It was strange how reticent doctors were to prescribe something and instead just told us sh…

> After asking five different doctors about it, one finally agreed to prescribe it. Were the other four too lazy/orthodox to read the papers you're referencing? Or they read the papers and still thought it wasn't a good idea? I'm going to presume that the former is the case, unfortunately.

Or didn't want to take the risk of using a somewhat experimental medicine (perhaps justifiably so, I don't know the details), or maybe the evidence is still promising but otherwise still very thin. Or they just didn't have the time to really research it as they also had dozens of other patients.

There could be any number of reasons; without more details, I think it's quite a leap to immediately assume they're "lazy/orthodox to read the papers".

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Post by wincy »

hndudette2 wrote: post #43
wincy wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When our daughter was born with a rare life threatening condition my wife used SciHub to read articles about her condition. While the doctors had merely skimmed the pages, my wife pored over them and found a suggestion of using a particular drug. After asking five different doctors about it, one finally agreed to prescribe it. It was strange how reticent doctors were to prescribe something and instead just told us sh…

> After asking five different doctors about it, one finally agreed to prescribe it. Were the other four too lazy/orthodox to read the papers you're referencing? Or they read the papers and still thought it wasn't a good idea? I'm going to presume that the former is the case, unfortunately.

They had “read” them. The first time she mentioned the drug to a doctor he just snippily corrected her on the pronunciation but nothing else. My wife carefully documented everything the paper said in a “Cliff’s Notes” sort of version with links. The next meeting we had with them they were much less hostile, it was like night and day. I guess they were impressed by her careful note taking. Even so the doctor who did prescribe it sort of acted like it was his idea, my wife kind of rolled her eyes and just let him keep thinking that.

The way we think about it is a doctor has what, 15 minutes (if that) to spare thinking about our daughter languishing in the NICU. My wife spent literally all day, all night, ruminating and worrying about her. I had just started a new job, (I was unemployed when she was born!) and honestly poured myself into that position, maybe as a way to avoid living at the hospital (I’m not proud of it but that’s what happened). But it is weird we had to get the pulmonologist to prescribe a medication that’s something the neurologist should probably be prescribing.

Re: Sci-Hub Founder Criticizes Sudden Twitter Ban over “Counterfeit” Content

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Post by Bedon292 »

prionassembly wrote: post #20
criddell wrote: post #13

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What powers did they not exert during the Trump administration?

That's exactly my question: are they going to acquire new powers that we didn't know existed?

If anything I feel its more likely that they will face additional scrutiny. My understanding is the Democrats want more anti-trust laws, and are more likely to break up the big tech companies. Not sure how that might affect Twitter, but Apple, Google (Alphabet), Facebook, and Amazon are probably going to face a lot of additional issues.

https://apnews.com/article/technology-50e69e921c6699a3edbd73...

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