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Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

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All datasheets should be uploaded to libgen or similar platforms so that they're always accessible to anyone needing them.

I hope someone takes care of this.

never uploaded anything to libgen, but i am setting up a http mirror of this and will also provide a .zip file, to make it easy for others to download the whole collection.

posting the link here when its done, then someone else can submit this to libgen and other places.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

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This is obviously wrong. The best way to remedy this is probably to contact TI as a (potential) investor, not complain here. Link: https://investor.ti.com/resources/contact-us

In my experience (from a few large companies) I'm afraid this would accomplish exactly nothing. It is wishful thinking. The only way to reach most companies is to turn up on their PR radar. If something is seen as potentially damaging to their brand your concern will enter the company at a place in the organization which will have a far more direct channel to someone who can make decisions. If you go through their in…

You want to get the message through to those who are responsible. Whether it's via the Investor contact or the Press contact doesn't really matter, as long as whoever came up with this decision has to justify it in front of the other executives.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

TI might not be focused on phones and multimedia devices anymore, but their DSP chips are extremely well regarded, and some of their other chips are popular for industrial automation. I don’t think “rentseeking on their analog dominance” is a fair characterization.

It's hard not to view this sort of stuff as saber rattling (or, more accurately, whining) from the OSHW community. TI is more than happy to work with you on their most cutting edge designs if you're shipping in appreciable volume. Talking a quarter million chips or more per year. That's just the way the wind blows in their business. Gotta recoup as much R&D expenditure as possible up front. I've worked with them on t…

What makes you think it's the OSHW community? If TI will work with you only if you're high vol then I could see a lot of smaller businesses seeing this tactic working against them too.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

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I received a takedown demand from them because I had one of their documents on space grade parts on my site. The main reason I put it on my site was because they made the document hard to get, otherwise I would have just put up a link to it. It was clearly a Bot. A human would have seen it as a promotion for a line of obscure TI products.

> A human would have seen it as a promotion for a line of obscure TI products.

You'd think that for all the cases in which data sheets get taken down. Unfortunately TI doesn't seem to.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TI might not be focused on phones and multimedia devices anymore, but their DSP chips are extremely well regarded, and some of their other chips are popular for industrial automation. I don’t think “rentseeking on their analog dominance” is a fair characterization.

It's hard not to view this sort of stuff as saber rattling (or, more accurately, whining) from the OSHW community. TI is more than happy to work with you on their most cutting edge designs if you're shipping in appreciable volume. Talking a quarter million chips or more per year. That's just the way the wind blows in their business. Gotta recoup as much R&D expenditure as possible up front. I've worked with them on t…

I can understand hardware vendors not actively working with you on designs unless you're buying in volume. That's fine, they're a business, they have to make money and not lose money.

What I don't understand about the hardware industry is the extent to which they actively restrict access to information on how their product works unless you're buying in volume. Why is it necessary to have layers of NDAs on a product datasheet? Many of the people who might write software to integrate with some hardware are not the people manufacturing high-volume products based on it! (See: Linux driver developers.)

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

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Most likely. The open source movement in software was still relatively recently and quite radical. The hardware companies are still stuck way in the past.

>The hardware companies are still stuck way in the past. If only. In the past it was common to provide schematics of your hardware in order that people could repair it. This was common for consumer products, industrial, instrumentation, test gear, almost everything. For example, the manual for the Amiga 500 had the schematics in it.

Also "hardware companies are still stuck way in the past" is only true for some hardware companies. Recently got into music production and lots of hardware comes with schematics of the inner workings with descriptions on how it all works and is connected, together with implementation guides for MIDI and more. Night and day if you compare to how computer hardware gets sold today.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

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Cool, I was just going to use a TPA series amplifier for my commercial design this year. I'm just going to switch to ST Microelectronics which is what Bose et al use anyway. Good riddance. If you are stupid enough to DMCA 555 timer datasheets, you just shot yourself in the foot.

Good choice on ST. I can only recommend their products. While some tools are still wonky and quite archaic (which is sadly pretty much the standard in the industry) their tools are the lesser bad ones.

Unfortunately their IDE doesn't work at all on OSX, their support crawls, and it's obvious they are internally French as in bureaucracy.

Re: Texas Instruments sent a DMCA takedown to a site archiving data sheets

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TI has also cancelled distribution agreements with several of their top distributors recently. (Avnet, etc). They have a few global distributors remaining, and if you talk to any of them for a new design, you'll notice they try to avoid promoting TI parts because of TI's new pricing and commission policies.

Does this indicate that TI are in financial trouble?

Nothing like making it harder to buy their products if they're in trouble!
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