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Re: Tether price manipulation

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While I don’t doubt that Tether was used to manipulate the Bitcoin price upwards, at the same time I believe Bitcoin Futures were/are being used to suppress the Bitcoin price as well. ——— [0]: https://www.equities.com/news/how-do-bitcoin-futures-affect-...

"Suppress" is not the right word because that would imply that the price is wrong. There is nothing wrong with shorting a market. If the short is wrong, she loses money. The market remains balanced and often short squeezes are responsible for large bull runs.

Tether however isn't balanced. There is no risk. There is no offsetting liability in the market for the Tether they create (unlike with a short future, which has an offsetting long side).

Re: Tether price manipulation

#13
post #2

While correlation is not causation, correlation is evidence for causation... and there's a lot of correlation in those graphs.

It literally is not.

Correction: Correlation is evidence for causation. It's weak evidence, and generally speaking, stronger correlation isn't more evidence.

There's a gradual process to go from hypothesis to theory to fact, and to get there, you need several types of independent evidence. Correlational evidence is okay as one of those.

A correct statement is that correlation is not proof of causation (no matter how strong).

Types of evidence:

* Correlation

* Theoretical basis / strong hypothesis

* Extrapolation

* Interpolation

* Small-scale well-controlled experiments (lab setting)

* Large-scale less controlled experiments (real-world setting)

* Anecdotes

* ... and so on

You want several of those before you start to believe anything, and some are stronger than others. Correlation isn't fundamentally weaker than most of those, though; all of those carry their own methodological issues. The number of times you can have a large-scale perfectly-controlled preregistered randomized control trial with no confounding effects is exceptionally rare (some medical trials, and a few other settings).

Re: Tether price manipulation

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Can someone please explain to me how Tether is "injected" into Bitcoin? The entire argument seems to hinge on this but it is not (as far as I can see) explained.

Are people accepting Tether in trade for BTC under the assumption that Tether will always be exchanged 1:1 for USD when this is not actually the case?

EDIT: The answer seems to be yes Tether is 1-to-1 with "I O U $1" and enough people are accepting these IOUs in exchange for BTC that the market is moving because of this.

That last part ("the market is moving because of this") seems so unbelievably stupid to me that I don't actually believe it.

Re: Tether price manipulation

#15
The problem is that in the early days of @Bitfinex'ed this was all a bit of a sideshow because there was genuinely large interest from retail and the outcome of crypto was far less certain.

However three years on, crypto still does not have a "killer app" and is 99.99% used for speculation. Bitcoin's narrative has had to morph from "digital currency" to "digital gold".

But in the depths of the March panic, Tether jumped the shark in order to backstop the entire crypto ecosystem, and they can never put that genie back in the bottle. Much like the Fed who cannot stop monetizing US deficits for fear of letting yields explode, the Tetheral Reserve must continue to print USDT in order to support prices. Exchanges cannot let this fail since the vast majority do not have access to the bonafide banking system and thus scrappy users must devise "fiat onramps".

There are many theories about why, the predominant one being that iFinex know they are screwed, and are making one last cash grab before presumably disappearing. This sounds fairly reasonable if the entire operation is indeed a sham, but it means there is effectively no upper bound to BTC prices because the denominator in 90% of the market (USDT) is effectively zero.

Tether has become too big to fail. Bitcoin now finds itself a high tech manifestation of the very thing that Satoshi sought to address.

Re: Tether price manipulation

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Can someone please explain to me how Tether is "injected" into Bitcoin? The entire argument seems to hinge on this but it is not (as far as I can see) explained. Are people accepting Tether in trade for BTC under the assumption that Tether will always be exchanged 1:1 for USD when this is not actually the case? EDIT: The answer seems to be yes Tether is 1-to-1 with "I O U $1" and enough people are accepting these IOU…

Yes, if the company Thether has full control of its tokens they can print them and don't back them with anything (as the author says their reserves are not public)

Re: Tether price manipulation

#17
I still don't quite understand how they can manipulate the price.

The price of a USDT is 1 dollar. They give out new USDT for $1 a piece.

Sure, they may be spending these dollars elsewhere, thus holding a fractional reserve. Sure this may illegal and get them in trouble.

But this doesn't effect the dollar value for which these USDT's and thus Bitcoins are traded.

As long as a USDT is $1, nobody is manipulating the price.

Re: Tether price manipulation

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post #2

While correlation is not causation, correlation is evidence for causation... and there's a lot of correlation in those graphs.

Correlation is definitely not evidence for causation. Also, if you reverse the cause and effect, what analysis do you get? When BTC prices are in the rise, it’s because people are putting money into crypto currencies. When people are putting money into crypto, some of that money is probably going into tether, so there’s more demand for tether, so Bitfinex increases the supply. With this reasoning, we get exactly the same graph with a totally different meaning.

Re: Tether price manipulation

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Wait I don't get it, it's not fully backed but it's still backed somewhat right? I thought it was only a chunk of USD that was missing? Or did they completely abandon the usd backing?

If it's still somewhat backed and just that chunk of usd that remains unaccounted for, printing tether isn't exactly a scam? People trade their usd for printed tethers and use that to buy bitcoin, so it's still essentially people exchanging usd for bitcoin

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