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Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Post by selestify »

randomsearch wrote: post #361
incrudible wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like to think the problem is that "the nerds" have failed the rest of the people. People used to listen to us about computer stuff. Then computers became usable without us. Then smartphones arrived. We gladly were relieved of our obligations, but also of our influence. It's too late to go back. People are already used to the trade-offs, convenience rules above all. People may be "sort of concerned" about privacy, b…

I think it’s simpler. Boycotts don’t work at an individual level. I have been boycotting nestle for decades. Can’t say they’ve become less evil. That’s because the marginal effect is negligible for them and strongly negative for the individual (assuming you’re a fan of Kit Kat’s). Network effects amplify the marginal impact on the individual, because they lead to a monopoly with no true competition. Sure, you can lea…

What do you think the differences between modern boycotts and Rosa Parks bus boycott are? Why are modern ones so ineffective in comparison?

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Post by lmm »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #497
qwertox wrote: post #468

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I wish the EU would force messaging systems to also support interactions with XMPP or other similar open standards. There's nothing in their way to expect such a thing, except the lobbyists.

Why would you want your government to mandate how technology works? Sounds like a recipe for disaster and the perfect way to stifle innovation

Market competition doesn't work for natural monopolies, and network effects mean messaging is one of those. Governments should regulate as necessary to ensure free markets for competition, which means aggressive antitrust enforcement and giving natural monopolies the choice between opening up enough to allow competition, or nationalisation.

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Post by zzzbra »

selestify wrote: post #901
randomsearch wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s simpler. Boycotts don’t work at an individual level. I have been boycotting nestle for decades. Can’t say they’ve become less evil. That’s because the marginal effect is negligible for them and strongly negative for the individual (assuming you’re a fan of Kit Kat’s). Network effects amplify the marginal impact on the individual, because they lead to a monopoly with no true competition. Sure, you can lea…

What do you think the differences between modern boycotts and Rosa Parks bus boycott are? Why are modern ones so ineffective in comparison?

Rosa Parks was a militant activist and part of a large activist network that was consistently staging public acts in defiance of Jim Crow segregation. This is misleadingly left out of most folks’ intro to her most successful action.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Post by sally1620 »

A messaging app is not a personal choice like using Debian or FreeBSD, it is about community.

I have iMessage, Whatsapp, Telegram on my phone. Each one is used to reach a certain group of people. I also have Signal, but nobody is on there and I never use it.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Post by dvdgsng »

mschuetz wrote: post #541
rglullis wrote: post #228

From the listed alternatives, only Matrix is the one that actually solves the issue of not having to trust our communications to any single monopolistic entity. You could add XMPP there as well, but it really doesn't matter. What does matter is for us to start pushing for openness and start evangelizing/helping others to adopt anything that puts us back in control of our communication. This is the one thing to fix, a…

Matrix, or at least Element, has terrible UX, though, and I'd never recommend it to my family. It opens three message boxes every single time I open the web client, and I can't disable these boxes permanently. Oh, and I have to login again every time because it doesn't remember logins.

What are you running Element on? These issues make no sense. I run multiple clients on several devices, not experiencing such things.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Post by wraptile »

LINE [1] - is a very popular messenging app in SEA, Japan and Korea. It's more of a service suite (food delivery, news/entertainment streams etc.) but at the core it's a really good messenger. Key features that I like:

- Great user-driver sticker ecosystem. Creators can submit their sets to the store and earn pasive income; there's even an sticker creation app [2]

- modern, good UX and web-client with default E2E encryption.

- ability to login with an account rather than phone number exclusively.

- chat extras: photo albums, event calendars etc. especially great for group chats.

- original quality photo sharing.

It's a bit bloated being a full service suite and all but underneath it all it's a really good messenging experience!

1 - https://line.me/

2 - https://creator.line.me/en/studio/

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