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Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Where is the "Don't switch" option? Because as much as I hate that Facebook bought them, they're part of what I would call "critical social infrastructure." Asking to leave WhatsApp is like cancelling your contract with your ISP and going offline just because you don't like the company.

> Critical social infrastructure At least for the UK, this is not at all the case. It’s perfectly feasible to socialise and do business without going anywhere near WhatsApp.

Same, but most of my friends and family use Facebook Messenger instead. I prefer it to WhatsApp to be honest.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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I'm in Brazil as well. Everybody uses Whatsapp. It is now so entrenched into society that it turned to be part of its popular culture. When people say "I'm part of a group of old car enthusiasts", they meant they are part of a Whatsapp group in which they discuss old cars. Countless online services and apps were replaced by Whatsapp over the years, from the top of my head: all IMs, customer service apps, e-commerce (…

WhatsApp reigns supreme in India as well; we now have characters in TV shows and movies saying lines like, "I will WhatsApp you the details." WhatsApp might be Zuck's most significant purchase for global domination (at least for now).

Exactly. Facebook and WhatsApp likely have very little to worry about. Zuck knows that most users will keep using WhatsApp. However it does show that Facebook is not doing so well. The fact they need WhatsApp user data indicates problems in their "core" product.

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I'm having a hard time understanding how WhatsApp could be convenient enough to replace most online services and apps. Do you send text messages with some magic keywords to order at Burger King, or is there a person on the other end reading it, or how does that work? How do you pay? How do you browse the menu? I don't understand.

In Central America whatsapp also _is_ basically the Internet along with facebook. There is a person on the other end taking your order and payments are always done in cash, although some advanced delivery drivers now carry a credit card swipe machine. Everything is done through whatsapp: bills, ordering food, govt services, parent teacher communications for children in schools, business introductions (dont know anyon…

> "whatsapp also _is_ basically the Internet"

this is the best description I've read so far.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Telegram is a great IM experience . The client is good, feature set is good, the stickers are amusing (if you're into that kind of thing), the feature set is complete and everything is polished. Telegram is, I think, going to be one of the easier sells if you're trying to convince non-technical users to switch from WhatsApp or FB Messenger. The privacy, security, and governance story is not great though. If you care…

/Aside First time I'm meeting my virtual Doppelganger, best part is, it's on HN !

My mother's family name is "Lazare". it's pretty common isn't it?

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Where is the "Don't switch" option? Because as much as I hate that Facebook bought them, they're part of what I would call "critical social infrastructure." Asking to leave WhatsApp is like cancelling your contract with your ISP and going offline just because you don't like the company.

I ask this as a non-Whatsapp user. I have read the comments and I understand in some countries (Brazil, Netherlands, etc.) that Whatsapp is the main tool for person to person and person to business communications. What I can't figure out is why did it displace "plain SMS" or other tools. What drove the adoption? I'd love to hear more about that - was Whatsapp just the first mover?

SMS: Pricy, no audio messages and no pictures/videos (also no documents).

Whatsapp: free (besides internet usage - but some providers offered unlimited/extended whatsapp data), audio messages, send photos/videos/audios (not from audio message)/documents, can do video and audio calls from the same screen, without moving away from the app

There's just no competitor with same parity of features (with the same quality) and easiness to use.

Telegram has calls, but they just don't work for me: either my parents can't hear me properly, or there's a HUGE delay in the audio call, I keep hearing the reconnection beeps...

I'm just off an audio call to my parents on Telegram, had to drop off and use whatsapp because it was unusable

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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> Asking to leave WhatsApp is like cancelling your contract with your ISP and going offline just because you don't like the company. If I choose to stop using my ISP, I have no need to "go offline". I can simply switch ISPs and I still get the exact same internet. This is why we must not fall for this "critical social infrastructure" trap. No one company deserves our business. We can and should go elsewhere. Messagin…

> I can simply switch ISPs and I still get the exact same internet. This is why we must not fall for this "critical social infrastructure" trap. No one company deserves our business. We can and should go elsewhere. I don't think you realize it's basically a privilege to be able to change your ISP. I have two options and have switched last month - it took three months of figuring out who should fix broken fiber (look…

But, when I do switch ISPs I still get the exact same internet. When I switch phone carriers, I can still use SMS to message anybody who uses SMS.

When I switch from WhatsApp to GroupMe, I have an entirely different set of conversations. They are totally separate systems.

Also, if you were willing to switch to a satellite or LTE carrier, would you be able to switch? If you did switch, you still have "the internet".

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In Central America whatsapp also _is_ basically the Internet along with facebook. There is a person on the other end taking your order and payments are always done in cash, although some advanced delivery drivers now carry a credit card swipe machine. Everything is done through whatsapp: bills, ordering food, govt services, parent teacher communications for children in schools, business introductions (dont know anyon…

> "whatsapp also _is_ basically the Internet" this is the best description I've read so far.

So bots exist or no?

Honestly in that rare instance sheds you need to chat with an Intercom website, would much rather do it in WhatsAppWeb or via cell

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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We switched to Signal & finding Signal consumes too much of data. I think the video & audio resolution is excellent in Signal - that could be one reason. I do not find a way to reduce quality thereby reduce data consumption. For developing countries like India, this is important.

This is an interesting problem with true E2E solutions. The person sending you the image would need to send it with lower resolution. There is no way for the server to do it for you. The servers also don't store messages once they been delivered. There is no way to get a low resolution while mobile and getting the higher resolution while on WiFi. Signal does already have the method to disable media downloads while no…

But, how does WhatsApp do this? I mean it works great for countries with low bandwidth without user doing anything about it.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Matrix is okay, hopefully will be better someday, but I've had a pretty good time with XMPP the last few months. If you stick to Dino and Conversations (maybe Gajim too), the OMEMO is easier and more reliable to get working than Matrix's encryption, and you can turn it off. I mainly use Matrix unencrypted because they don't let you turn it back off, and it feels like most of my contacts don't understand the device naming and verification stuff. (also sometimes device verification just doesn't work). XMPP is also a LOT less laggy. Closer to IRC feel.

I still use Matrix, but it's often frustrating with messages showing up late or out of order, and none of the clients feeling quite good enough yet. Especially if you use multiple accounts.

Every XMPP client I've used supports multiple accounts, but for Matrix I've only recently run into Quaternion which supports this, and I believe also Neochat (they both use libquotient), but they're still rough to use.

I wouldn't even consider options that aren't free software, and I'd also exclude signal because of them not putting their app on f-droid, not being properly decentralized, relying on a phone number, etc. (note that both email and phone number are optional for Matrix accounts)

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