Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by marcosdumay » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #241

I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

The death of the press¹ has been an worldwide phenomenon, so attributing it to a single US legislative bill is a bit too reductionist.

It's quite possible that there was US protagonism on that process, and it's quite possible that the bill was a relevant factor, but the bill doesn't have an worldwide impact, and the US influence does certainly not come from it.

1 - It looks quite dead by now, nearly everything we call by that name is free of any usable information. Of course there's some activity here or there, but it's dead like a dead forest, something spurs here or there, but nothing is able to grow.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by thotsBgone » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:10 PM UTC

mistermann wrote: post #713

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #535

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And what rules exactly did Trump break? He explicitly did not call for violence. It seems like you want people silenced if they question the official narrative. That's precisely antithetical to free-speech ideals. Do you know how often I've seen Republicans called Nazis? Or evil? Or that they need to be eliminated? I don't go crying to Facebook to censor opinions I don't like.

I'm sorry but this is silly (and I'm a "Trump supporter"). > He explicitly did not call for violence. Effective communication need not be specific. Surely you possess this knowledge, but might it have been in "cold storage" at the time you wrote this comment ? > It seems like you want people silenced if they question the official narrative. Reality is often not as it seems. Often it is even the exact opposite of how…

Right before he was banned from Twitter, didn't several of his tweets specifically and emphatically urge protesters to avoid violence and respect the police presence?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by molbioguy » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:11 PM UTC

AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #856

molbioguy wrote: post #674

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It's treated as such by a lot of it's users. They do not have expectations of being censored. The items you mention are paid services. Facebook isn't for most of its users.

A public utility is really just a private company which has been granted the special privilege of legal monopoly, by some combination of state intervention and regulatory capture. Censorship may be a bad thing on a moral level, but when it comes to the law of the United States - the country in which Facebook operates - it is pretty clear that free speech protections are an imposition upon what the government may legi…

> You do not have to make a Facebook account, after all, and since Facebook is not the only game in town ...

Isn't that part of the problem? Facebook (and Twitter) are so common and widely used that alternatives are not remotely equivalent. Communication via those alternatives is extremely limiting.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by Darmody » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:11 PM UTC

wincy wrote: post #307

estebarb wrote: post #200

I find interesting that at least in spanish facebook does NOTHING to prevent fake news, calls to assassinate local leaders, fake elections fraud and other content to spread. Even those comments are always promoted as "the most relevant". FB is an amplifier of all this mess and is ruining democracies everywhere.

The people running Facebook don’t live in Spain, that’s 100% why.

I don't think he's talking about Spain here.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by djsumdog » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:12 PM UTC

InitialLastName wrote: post #852

djsumdog wrote: post #818

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It depends on which direction we goes. If the elections really weren't stolen, then we will see things even out. If they were ... well you're wrong about Democrats retaining control. It's not Democrats vs Republicans. It's establishment vs everyone else. Let me ask you something: Do you ever think we'll see another person not blessed by either the Bush or Clinton family on the Iron Throne of the Whitehouse? Trump was…

I think you're forgetting how bitter the 2008 Democratic primary was. The Clintons did everything they could to keep Obama from being the nominee (well, as we saw in 2016, not quite everything they could do). Clinton was made secretary of state as an olive branch to keep her end of the party secure. I think you can comfortably replace "establishment" with "idealogically representative of the inner standard deviation…

Yep, very true. I can't disagree with anything you've said. I do remember 2006 very well and the "I landed under sniper fire" from Hillary.

I agree Bill Clinton was outside of it, but he got in and they started their entrenchment. Prescott Bush spent decades preparing for his son to become the president, but it was his long term intention.

Trump started planning this in the 80s and his extended family are also much easier to listen to and less ... squawking. There's a good chance they'll rise despite all of this as another political family like the Kennedys.

Kennedy wasn't corrupt enough, and got taken out by his own people, and somehow to this day over half of the world believe it was just one guy with an axe to grind.

The actual undercarriage of what is going in is deep and complex, held by powerful people who will rip each other, and the peasants, in order to maintain their control and power.

Just look at how people on here are ripping at each other, accusing every Trump supporter as being a Nazi or fascist. I think back to the quote from Wargames about thermonuclear war .. the only way to win, is not to play.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by rstupek » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:12 PM UTC

jeresuikkila wrote: post #859

marcus_holmes wrote: post #718

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Twitter has a really high membership ratio in journalism and politics - pretty much every professional journalist and politician is very active. Whether this is a good thing for society is a different question. (I'd argue that it's not and that Twitter should be closed down. But I know that's an unpopular opinion)

Does your closing down suggestion only apply to Twitter or also other social media platforms? What would the effect be?

I think the other social media platforms don't have as much of a mega phone effect that twitter does? Twitter posts by default can be seen by the world which differs from other social media sites?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by thotsBgone » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:12 PM UTC

wincy wrote: post #307

estebarb wrote: post #200

I find interesting that at least in spanish facebook does NOTHING to prevent fake news, calls to assassinate local leaders, fake elections fraud and other content to spread. Even those comments are always promoted as "the most relevant". FB is an amplifier of all this mess and is ruining democracies everywhere.

The people running Facebook don’t live in Spain, that’s 100% why.

Spanish/latin culture also doesn't have the whole politically correct thing that we do.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by pqhwan » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:12 PM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #760

pqhwan wrote: post #657

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> Either Capitol Police were terribly incompetent at protecting one of the most secure buildings in the US, or they let this happen. So that must be what all the pictures of wall-climbing and drawn glocks are all about.

The total and complete incompetence of the strongest and best equipped security force in the nation to defend one building? Why yes. Yes it is. They also shot an unarmed woman shooting wildly into a crowd for no god damn reason. That moron could have actually hit that other police officer too!

No, it’s a comment on your suggestion that the police let the insurrectionists in deliberately; I’m saying it’s wrong.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mrguyorama » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:13 PM UTC

hajile wrote: post #520

VBprogrammer wrote: post #117

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That's false. At least 14 officers hurt. See for example: https://www.foxnews.com/us/d-c-mayor-issues-order-extending-...

That's disingenuous. Only 2 officers required hospitalization. For comparison, there were many hospitalizations every single night of the 90-ish day Antifa seige of the Oregon federal courthouse. In Oregon, Antifa were blasting officers with fireworks, going after them with hammers, polearms, shields, etc. We didn't see that in DC either. Instead we find the police generally getting along with the overwhelming majori…

They brought bombs and a cooler full of molotov cocktails. This was a planned violent activity

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 8:14 PM UTC

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #535

tshaddox wrote: post #445

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It seems more interesting that a software platform like this would be expected to treat a president of a country different than a normal person. Should the queen of England get even more privileges to break rules on the platform? And the peerage somewhere below that (but still much higher than the common folk)?

And what rules exactly did Trump break? He explicitly did not call for violence. It seems like you want people silenced if they question the official narrative. That's precisely antithetical to free-speech ideals. Do you know how often I've seen Republicans called Nazis? Or evil? Or that they need to be eliminated? I don't go crying to Facebook to censor opinions I don't like.

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