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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by adamsea »

nova22033 wrote: post #230
adamsea wrote: post #41

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Crazy part is that one unelected guy (Zuckerberg)has this kind of power. To make this decision at his discretion. I mean it reads like something a head of state might say. Nonetheless, at least they are doing it.

He was elected to be the CEO by the FB board of directors. Want a say? Buy enough FB shares.

No, not that. Basically monopoly power, like with J.P. Morgan.

Facebook has become immensely powerful. It is controlled by Zuckerberg. It's a new domain so it's still unregulated but I'm sure that will eventually change as social media is becoming more and more of a public good or utility.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by Natanael_L »

matthewrobertso wrote: post #735
Natanael_L wrote: post #707

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There's nothing moderate about them. They're just not sufficiently extreme for the taste of those audiences. They fell under scrutiny that some of their smaller competitors aren't facing, so they're trying to maintain plausible deniability, which means the crowd of extremists has to go elsewhere to get their rage fix.

Moderation and extreme-ness exist on a continuum. Being not sufficiently extreme is being too moderate by definition.

You're assuming a relative scale, I'm assuming an absolute scale.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by djsumdog »

gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #35
maxfurman wrote: post #22

If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the right move. Four people are dead today because they listened to Donald Trump, and FB and Twitter bear some responsibility for handing him that megaphone. Stopping him from calling for further violence is the bare minimum they can do here.

Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government bu…

> the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year

Ignoring? They practically endorsed it as a totally reasonable means of change! The fact that the Trump supporters didn't Riot and very few of them entered the Capitol goes to show the vast majority of those Republicans do believe in law in order!

If the situation was reversed, had Trump won and Biden was challenging the election, you can be assured DC would be completely on fire like it was back in May. The Capital Building would be burning right now.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by etwigg »

Worst possible option. Unmute Trump, or mute all election conspiracists including Fox. Force the vandals to organize on Parler amongst the people they scammed, and don't let people get sucked in on accident while they were just trying to look at baby pictures.

This half-measure is the most dangerous of all paths. Depending on your interpretation of the 1st Amendment, you have to do either A or B. This is short-term survival at great long-term cost.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by runarberg »

awb wrote: post #427
aprdm wrote: post #44

Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.

Since the election results became apparent cable outlets have begun cutting away from the President’s speeches and tech companies have begun censoring the President’s speech. Absolutely nothing has changed in the President’s speech or behavior since his 1st speech announcing his candidacy 5 years ago. We needed a John Hancock 5 years ago that was willing to draw a line on violent speech and disinformation regardless…

Things escalated really gradually over the course of 4 years

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by slim »

tunesmith wrote: post #811
bryan_w wrote: post #772

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> only after it's too late to make a difference. I think you underestimate how much damage he can still do

Yesterday was the first time in four years I was tempted to call bottom. I hesitate to be sure, but I think it's more likely than not that we hit bottom yesterday and that the next two weeks and inauguration won't be worse.

you still can have political assassinations. sorry to say that so bluntly. but a crazy guy and a crowd pushing each other over the limits ends with political assassinations.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by djsumdog »

0xmohit wrote: post #499

> Facebook "indefinitely" blocking Trump's account is meaningless theater. > The Stop The Steal hashtag is still active. Stop The Steal events are "currently happening" ras we speak. And there are Stop The Steal groups with thousands of members you can join right now. https://mobile.twitter.com/broderick/status/1347228893124702...

Not really competition. People will just use different platforms and not speak or hear each other anymore. We're just going to see a further fragment in our society.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by treeman79 »

tunesmith wrote: post #811
bryan_w wrote: post #772

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> only after it's too late to make a difference. I think you underestimate how much damage he can still do

Yesterday was the first time in four years I was tempted to call bottom. I hesitate to be sure, but I think it's more likely than not that we hit bottom yesterday and that the next two weeks and inauguration won't be worse.

At beginning of pandemic I kept saying this is going to end in civil war.

Lots of people want to radically change the county. A disaster is how you get it done.

Toss everything into chaos, take away rights, lock things down. Perfect time to start making major changes to county.

History is full of examples of this.

Strong belief among many that that democracy will end after this election.

Perpetual rule by one party. Much like California.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

adolph wrote: post #736
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #645

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> all the other mass media outlets All? C'mon. You can make the argument that MSNBC is a mirror of Fox News in terms of coddling its viewers, but if you're calling NPR or the New York Times "fact-free," you're only betraying your own ignorance of journalism standards. Investigating facts and reporting them clearly is a solved problem. There are people who go to universities to study how to do this well, then go to wo…

Investigating facts and reporting them clearly is a solved problem. Do tell. What is a fact? Is it an assertion that is truthful? If something is not asserted is it still a fact? Is gravity a fact or an assertion without evidence? Was Ptolemy wrong or just complicated? Who are these people who go to universities and study how to investigate facts and report them clearly? Are they the in journalism or normal schools?…

We can go down philosophical rabbit holes and end up in absurd places where we argue over the definition of "truth," but I was obviously making a statement within the context of our discussion about reporting the news and events of the day.

If it's something you're interested in, nothing's stopping you from taking a journalism class or two, and after doing so you'd probably look at certain media outlets differently.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by djsumdog »

throw7 wrote: post #206

Gotta move with the political winds ehhh zuck?

The entire reason the Cambridge Analytica thing happened was because Zuck made moves for politics. At least that was my theory. I spell it out here:

https://battlepenguin.com/politics/facebook-politics-and-orw...

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