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No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

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Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

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"To be clear, we don’t provide healthcare. Everyone who works at Gumroad is responsible for their own healthcare and benefits. Everyone also pays for their own phone, laptop, internet connection, and all the other things they need." It seems to me that company operates like Uber or Lyft, and their product is exploiting wage inequalities.

At least two people who work there commented, both earning 10k/month. A lot of things come to mind, but wage inequality and explication are not among them.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25675002

Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

#92
post #61

In regards to the health insurance thing, there is a good middle option. I'm not affiliated but I use Savvy ( https://www.gosavvy.com/ ). They take advantage of a law that just started in 2020 that lets a company owner offer tax free insurance payments without having a health plan. Basically you set a budget, and then the employee chooses any health plan they want from any provider and pays with tax free money. If th…

If you are self employed and itemize your deductions (like everyone working for this company I assume), your health insurance premiums are already tax free. Don't need an external service for that.

Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

#93

Let me understand this. Gumroad raises $8m from VCs, isn't able to grow fast enough, so the VCs agree to give up any claim on the company. Sahil fires all of the employees, hires a cheap contracting firm and some of the employees back as part-time contractors. The company now does $11m in revenue, most of which is profit and Sahil keeps. That's amazing. For Sahil. Not so great if you were one of his investors or form…

If this negatively affects any former employees that's terrible but are we supposed to feel bad for VCs? There have been other stories like this where the HN response is "Won't somebody think of the VCs!" and I just can't do it. They're adults and business people, they'll live.

Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

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post #39

I work for a large SaaS company with hundreds of engineers and a very healthy revenue. It's widely acknowledged that the company would continue to function exactly as it is now for a very long time if they fired 95% of the staff. Heck stability and uptime would probably improve due to fewer deployments/no new feature adds. So the graph with declining expenses and increasing revenue isn't at all surprising. The proble…

If a competitor takes interest in your space, and you're already profitable, they're as likely to acquire you as compete with you.

A fully VC-funded SV unicorn is gonna demand a pretty high price tag. There's a lot of mouths to feed and liquidation preferences to payout. OTOH, $10 million is a pretty attractive payout for a single person, or even a handful.

Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

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I work at Gumroad, mentioned in this article. Sometimes, I read things by CEOs about how a company works on the inside and I wonder if it really looks like that, or if it is a view from the top that doesn't reflect what it's really like. This article, with its discussions of the upsides and downsides, is accurate to my experience and my understanding of other people's experiences. For many people, Gumroad wouldn't be…

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Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

#96
post #13

I'm genuinely curious what Gumroad Creators are selling. Is it 95% porn revenue, with a veneer of ebooks and videos? Or is there actually a sizable market for other digital goods?

It's quite easy to go browse the site and see for yourself that there's a pretty wide variety of stuff on there.

In my particular niche (music production/sound design) a lot of indie creators sell Max for Live devices on Gumroad: https://gumroad.com/discover?category=music&query=max%20for%...

Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

#97
post #44

In years to come we will look down on the 5 day working week in the same way we currently do with 15hr factory shifts during the industrial revolution. It absolutely blows my mind that 99% of office roles are still 5 days / week, Monday to Friday - why is there basically no variation on this model? I'd be more than happy to work a job for 80% salary for 4 days per week... So much so, I'm about to launch a website lis…

The bigger issue to me is that there's no diversification of risk. If your company goes under, you lose 100% of your income all at once. From that perspective, it'd be a lot more rational to work say ten jobs at a single time.

You're never at serious risk of losing more than 30% of your paycheck in any short period. You could even get smart and balance your portfolio of jobs between pro and counter-cyclical industries. Plus, it's a good way to let people gracefully transition between careers. Want to move into machine learning? Take a low-paying junior ML internship for one of your 1/10 jobs to build experience.

It'd also be good from a societal perspective, since jobs at small, fast-growing, but high-risk companies would become comparatively more attractive. It'd be harder to sustain toxic workplace environments, since any given employee would have plenty of other options. Managers would be less hesitant to shutdown money losing divisions or fire underperfomers, since you're not leaving the employee destitute.

Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

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post #5

I wonder if the VCs now regret just giving the company back to the founder who lost their money. $11m revenue growing this fast is a lot.

VCs LOVE this! Not only they underwrote the losses but also were presented with an "interesting" experiment.

You can bet Gumroad's case will be "studied" and pushed to other companies with VC money in similar situations ( but this time I don't think they'll let go the money invested )

Re: No meetings, no deadlines, no full-time employees

#100
post #39

I work for a large SaaS company with hundreds of engineers and a very healthy revenue. It's widely acknowledged that the company would continue to function exactly as it is now for a very long time if they fired 95% of the staff. Heck stability and uptime would probably improve due to fewer deployments/no new feature adds. So the graph with declining expenses and increasing revenue isn't at all surprising. The proble…

If a competitor takes interest in your space, and you're already profitable, they're as likely to acquire you as compete with you. A fully VC-funded SV unicorn is gonna demand a pretty high price tag. There's a lot of mouths to feed and liquidation preferences to payout. OTOH, $10 million is a pretty attractive payout for a single person, or even a handful.

Large companies are mostly looking for rapid growth and/or talent when they consider acquisitions, and this one has neither. Single-digit millions in revenue is inconsequential in the industry today.
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