Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

facebook.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

721–730 of 1001 posts

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#721

Post by ineedasername »

jennyyang wrote: post #703
ineedasername wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slippery slope arguments only retain validity of each link in the chain is demonstrably probably. Even then, for something like resisting dangerous speech, what does the slope matter? If the original thing is good to do, don't worry about the slippery slope, just make the right decision. Then of it goes to far and you're on the edge of a slope, that's where you fight. If guidelines about violent speech are abused, th…

"We need to stop any speech that we think is wrong!" Well, what if the definition of "we" changes? What if you become the minority and the majority wants your speech limited? The only reason why we have things like gay rights, women's rights, civil rights, etc, is exactly because of free speech. The speech at that time were the minority but were protected by the Constitution. If we don't respect the rights of those t…

Again, you're talking about what might happen. If something goes wrong you address the problem. Your argument could be applied to any law: "We can't let towns and counties and states to set speeding limits! If they do, the next thing you know they'll limit things to 40 mph, and after a while 30 mph. And poof! One day you'll wake up and over 5 mph would get you a speeding ticket!"

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#722

Post by horsawlarway »

djsumdog wrote: post #561
jcranmer wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All they wanted were real audits of the election So the actual audits done in response to the proper challenges under proper statutory authority that did not find that there was anything sufficiently wrong to overturn the results of the election (and, in many cases, concluded that there wasn't even anything wrong in the first place) are not real audits? Having actually read several of the lawsuits filed (mostly tho…

There was no paper ballot recount in Georgia. They recounted the images of the ballots, so if the videos of them getting run through 7 times are true, we wouldn't know. If they released the images, which GA said they would do, we could see the same serial numbers repeated. They've refused to.

They only counted the images, so they can't know - but if they just release the images you can know?

Did you reflect on this statement at all?

Fuck, you're on a programming forum, so I'm assuming you can do simple boolean logic.

----

I have a large family in GA. They predominately vote republican. Most of them DO NOT LIKE Trump. He's fucked several members of my family over financially (China imports a boatload of pecans, if you weren't aware. We grow pecans).

I have two diehard republican uncles - Neither voted for Trump in this election. One because he watched his mother (my grandmother) die of covid while trump was still spouting off how small a deal it was. The other because he doesn't think his company will survive another 4 years of the China trade war.

The ground truth, and I'm on the fucking ground here, is that GA was already not inclined to favor Trump in this election.

Add record Black/Minority turnout and it's pretty clear why the state went the way it did.

Hell, I normally vote split ticket on local elections, but not this year.

Yet you come in here and spout off bullshit to try to tell me how my local state should continue to audit and audit and audit until magically the results change to what you want? Get the fuck out of here.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#723

Post by marcus_holmes »

strategyanalyst wrote: post #690
wrsh07 wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to think that the business model of a cable news room is pretty fundamentally broken. Insofar as you value investigative journalism or pieces with some depth, you will be disappointed by organizations that host ESPN style shout fests, but they're produced for exactly the same reasons. It's cheap to make garbage filler content. When you see that all of the channels are deeply flawed, it's because they're incent…

John Oliver is also focused on a sub-segment and is also at least misleading at times. There are no sources of information that are credible with more than 45-55% of US Gen pop. We really need a source that can at least be relied upon as accurate source by 70-80% to avoid total collapse of democratic order in US.

Find a business model that works for independent journalism, then.

Advertising pays more with more controversy. Patronage (having a rich person pay the journalists) comes with strings. Consumers appear willing to pay for journalism only when it supports their political beliefs.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#724

Post by NE2z2T9qi »

sailingparrot wrote: post #667
NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what rules exactly did Trump break? He explicitly did not call for violence. It seems like you want people silenced if they question the official narrative. That's precisely antithetical to free-speech ideals. Do you know how often I've seen Republicans called Nazis? Or evil? Or that they need to be eliminated? I don't go crying to Facebook to censor opinions I don't like.

Insults are not actual call to immediate violence. Calling thousands of supporters to go to the capitol and telling them "you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong." is a very precise call to violence.

Got it. Protesting should be illegal. Thanks for the lesson on free speech.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#725

Post by myko »

dionian wrote: post #556
technofiend wrote: post #241

I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

Fox (however detestable you may find it) was created as an alternative to the corporate media hegemony on thought, I fear you have it backwards.

No, it was created to make a fantasy land bubble for insane conspiracy theorists and extremist right wingers. It did its job and normalized those things for the entire GOP.

edit: downvotes with no response is really weak, especially given what we see going on in the world today which completely backs up my point.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#726

Post by technofiend »

giantrobot wrote: post #634
zeroxfe wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It'll be interesting to see if whoever replaces Ajit Pai holds a different view on public intercourse over the airwaves. Really hoping you mean "public discourse" :-)

I hope they didn't . ;)

Uh, well...

Intercourse: noun: communication or dealings between individuals or groups.

I mean how you choose to communicate or deal with people is clearly different than me. :-)

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#727

Post by autokad »

wrsh07 wrote: post #624
youeseh wrote: post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Traditional TV and Print News Media gets the most eyeballs when they are controversial. Fox, CNN, MSNBC all do everything they can to coddle their specific segment. They phrase and comment on the news in a way that'll either excite their segment when they think it'll benefit and soften the blow whenever they think it'll hurt. And no, none of them appeal to a general audience. The ads that each network displays will t…

I tend to think that the business model of a cable news room is pretty fundamentally broken. Insofar as you value investigative journalism or pieces with some depth, you will be disappointed by organizations that host ESPN style shout fests, but they're produced for exactly the same reasons. It's cheap to make garbage filler content. When you see that all of the channels are deeply flawed, it's because they're incent…

John Oliver? are you kidding me? he purposely takes things out of context, cartoonizes and dehumanizes the opposition, uses comedy as a shield to make substantial counter points, etc etc. His goal is less about engagement (like a news media) and more abut driving a deeper wedge between people.

John Oliver is a curse upon humanity, he makes this world worse.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#728

Post by djsumdog »

jcranmer wrote: post #640
djsumdog wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you worked there doesn't mean you know everything that went on. How do you even explain the pipe burst that never happened and the counting that continued. Everything in your area might have been on the up and up, but things happened you may have not seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keANzinHWUA Also keep in mind Georgia never did re-canvasing and when they did a re-count, they recounted the IMAGES o…

> Why are they not releasing them? I believe that releasing that data would be in contravention of GA state law. > It was a Settlement Call, That is a lie. If it were a settlement call, there should have been lawyers from all parties involved. All of the live cases in Georgia regarding the election have Marc Elias present as co-intervenor, and that he was not on the call means that it cannot legally be a settlement c…

It absolutely was a settlement call (starting at 54:49):

https://youtu.be/bnevIjvohvQ?t=3276

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#729

Post by pfdietz »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #402

The transcript of the video: ”I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like…

> We had an election that was stolen from us.

That's a lie, regardless of what you want it to be.

Post reply on HN