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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Every single case got struck down by judges. People were pissed about a lack of election transparency that wasn't actually there. If the opinion of judges wasn't enough to convince them, what makes you think that of an auditor would make a difference?

I think the truth will eventually come out. I HOPE that those claiming sufficient fraud to effect the election are dead wrong. The alternative would be a nightmare. That's why the media and big tech shouldn't have buried their head in the sand. "Every single case got struck down by judges" is not a new argument to my ears. Do you think most of those judges heard actual evidence, or were throwing cases out on procedur…

Can you point to a single lawsuit that alleged actual fraud?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Has it not occurred to you that, maybe, we should judge people for their actions ? Rather than deciding upon an immutable set of Good People and Bad People, we should judge good and bad deeds?

If only Facebook would act that way towards Trump. He called for the people to leave the Capitol.

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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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It seems more interesting that a software platform like this would be expected to treat a president of a country different than a normal person. Should the queen of England get even more privileges to break rules on the platform? And the peerage somewhere below that (but still much higher than the common folk)?

And what rules exactly did Trump break? He explicitly did not call for violence. It seems like you want people silenced if they question the official narrative. That's precisely antithetical to free-speech ideals. Do you know how often I've seen Republicans called Nazis? Or evil? Or that they need to be eliminated? I don't go crying to Facebook to censor opinions I don't like.

I'm sorry but this is silly (and I'm a "Trump supporter").

> He explicitly did not call for violence.

Effective communication need not be specific. Surely you possess this knowledge, but might it have been in "cold storage" at the time you wrote this comment?

> It seems like you want people silenced if they question the official narrative.

Reality is often not as it seems. Often it is even the exact opposite of how it seems.

> Do you know how often I've seen Republicans called Nazis? Or evil? Or that they need to be eliminated?

"Truthy", but orthogonal. Two wrongs don't make a right (or so "they" say).

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Acknowledging that some of the comments there are pretty messed up is not the same thing as advocating for censorship. Criticism isn't censorship, criticism is free speech.

So I'm being downvoted which leads to censorship on this site, but all I did was criticize the comment, and I didn't downvote.

There were lots of legitimate reasons to downvote your GP comment. It was unsubstantive and flamebait, and broke other guidelines as well. You spawned a low-quality mess. This is not the discussion we're looking for here.

Also, using quotation marks to make it look like you're quoting someone when you're not is an internet flamewar trope that we try to avoid here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #67

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Exactly. BLM rioters created enormous damage yet I never saw any news that BLM/Antifa are indefinitely blocked from FB.

Yeah! They should suspended the CEO of ANTIFA from FB, Twitter, Parler, WhatsApp, Telegram, and the Dominos app!

The ANTIFA CEO is sitting in his fortified command center underneath the Appalachian Mountains as we speak, cackling and torturing a Trump supporter to death for not calling xir by the proper pronouns. Our joke of a liberal government is doing nothing to eliminate this dangerous threat to our guns and precious, precious strip malls.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Could have done this years ago, but instead wait until it's confirmed he's going out.

What a bunch of spineless opportunists.

I honestly don't know how people can work at facebook in good conscience these days.

Nothing wrong with working for a paycheck, but it would definitely keep me up at night.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #231

All of these HN comments are defending shouting "Fire!" falsely in a theater under the guise of it being a slippery slope before all speech is lost. I have lost a lot of respect for these slippery slope arguments because they are easy to make and ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech.

The "slippery slope" / "free speech" arguments are boring, and come into play almost anytime Facebook gets mentioned on HN. "Slippery slope" is also most commonly a fallacy , which a lot of people seem to ignore. > the fallacy of arguing that a certain course of action is undesirable or that a certain proposition is implausible because it leads to an undesirable or implausible conclusion via a series of tenuously con…

Your logical fallacy is the “fallacy fallacy”.

You presumed that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Traditional TV and Print News Media gets the most eyeballs when they are controversial. Fox, CNN, MSNBC all do everything they can to coddle their specific segment. They phrase and comment on the news in a way that'll either excite their segment when they think it'll benefit and soften the blow whenever they think it'll hurt. And no, none of them appeal to a general audience. The ads that each network displays will t…

>Twitter's audience is narrow: Most of the people I know (across countries, religions, genders, professions) do not have a Twitter account. most of the people in media are on twitter 247, talking heads take from twitter discourse and export that to other media

Twitter has a really high membership ratio in journalism and politics - pretty much every professional journalist and politician is very active.

Whether this is a good thing for society is a different question.

(I'd argue that it's not and that Twitter should be closed down. But I know that's an unpopular opinion)

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #453

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> the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech. Many people, both anarchists and non-anarchists, would strongly disagree with that statement. And not all of those people are uneducated edgelords whose main argument is that it's a slippery slope.

For those who may strongly disagree with that statement, I would be curious to hear their counter argument to the paradox of tolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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And when politicians call each other Nazis, or when Joe Biden claimed that Mitt Romney wanted to re-enslave black people? Seems like you're only going to apply your "inciting violence" claim to one side. I watched cities burn over the summer and intense levels of violence... And yet no one on the left trotted out speech bans and "incitement to violence" claims. It's obvious you're selectively targeting enforcement of…

> And when politicians call each other Nazis, or when Joe Biden claimed that Mitt Romney wanted to re-enslave black people? Name calling isn't incitement to violence. Can you point to the specific instances of violence you are talking about and the speech that inspired them? The issue here is that this isn't theoretical. Trump actually spoke to a real mob, in person, told them to march to the capitol, and then praise…

What a news-bubble you live in. Multiple cities burned over the summer while many politicians, activist, and newspapers encouraged protests. Numerous Trump supporters were assaulted. At least two Trump supporters were shot to death.

The fact that you don’t know and don’t care about this shows in what politically-biased bad faith you’re operating.

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