Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by vel0city » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

dcolkitt wrote: post #197

IMO, this potentially opens up Facebook Inc. to securities fraud lawsuits. Corporate executives by default have a fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder returns. They don't have to abide by this, but if they take material action towards other goals, then they must clearly disclose it in public communications. (E.g. a non-profit company can't pretend that it's not to potential investors.) It's pretty hard to justify h…

Corporate executives do not have a fiduciary due to maximize shareholder returns. If the shareholders and board of a public corporation want to quit making money and just throw massive parties all the time until the corporation runs out of money, there's nothing stopping them from doing so.

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-co...

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by SV_BubbleTime » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

The transcript of the video:

”I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election. But we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated — that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace."

This is a Rorschach test for what you want it to be.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by SpaceRaccoon » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

levosmetalo wrote: post #347

danhak wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this must be it. Must have nothing to do with the fact that he said "You're special, we love you!" to the people laying siege at the U.S. Capitol.

This must have been the first time in history that President of the United States openly supports people violently "fighting for democracy" against "elected president" of the sovereign country. Wait what? But this time it's different, this time it's us / US.

The US vehemently supported protestors seizing the Ukrainian parliament and overthrowing the democratically elected president.

American politicians were even present handing out cookies: https://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2013/12/1213-world-Nuland2....

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by qeternity » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #175

I don't like the thought of trillion-dollar advertising companies being the custodians of the platforms where (sadly) a majority of speech in the world happens. That being said, if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? If you're a free speech maximalist you'll be opposed to any sort of "censorship" (then again, people with those view…

Any real free speech maximalist would first and foremost recognize Facebook's right to free speech. Suspending Trump is merely that right. The 1st amendment is between citizens and the government, not between other citizens.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by scotu » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

tetrometal wrote: post #359

viro wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You deleted your Facebook account, because they banned someone for inciting treason and sedition?

This spin leaves me incredulous. How does Trump inviting a protest equate to "inciting treason and sedition"? Y'all are bonkers.

"stand back and stand by" wink wink

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by duxup » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #175

I don't like the thought of trillion-dollar advertising companies being the custodians of the platforms where (sadly) a majority of speech in the world happens. That being said, if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? If you're a free speech maximalist you'll be opposed to any sort of "censorship" (then again, people with those view…

I feel similarly. I'm traditional pretty nervous about these platforms taking action.

Yet at the same time its' hard to balance the idea that I want people to have as much free speech on these platforms... and at the same time support the use of these platforms to push anti democratic / misinformation / and actions that would seem to lead to ... other people's rights being infringed and curtailed.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by paganel » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

What a travesty, this is f*ing rich coming from a guy who wanted to have Xi Jinping as a godfather.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by tetrometal » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

Kapura wrote: post #315

This is pathetic, and I would be embarrassed to be a Facebook employee after what has transpired over the past 5 years. Extremely too little too late. The damage has already been done, and done, and done. Over and over again. Journalism is a husk of what it was before Facebook's algorithms became the primary way many consume news. Engagement as the key performance metric has damaged the human project. This company ca…

"This company cannot be brought to heel quickly enough."

That you can say that and not think of yourself as authoritarian is the reason the US is so divided right now.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by tasty_freeze » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

I know there have been constant cries that Facebook/Twitter are being unfair to Trump and they shouldn't be allowed to block his messages. The fact is, they have bent over backwards to allow Trump to post things that other people would not.

The proof of that: there have been people who tweet the things Trump has tweeted (but not via retweet, just typing it in verbatim) and they get blocked for the content of their messages.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mrkramer » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

richardARPANET wrote: post #60

Zuck the PHP dev thinks he's Emperor.

He is into Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome let him have fun. Also he thought that Google Plus was Carthage and Facebook was Roman Empire well it turned out it was kind of like that but only in Social Networking industry, Google is still Roman Empire of the internet.