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I wish the EU would force messaging systems to also support interactions with XMPP or other similar open standards. There's nothing in their way to expect such a thing, except the lobbyists.
Why would you want your government to mandate how technology works? Sounds like a recipe for disaster and the perfect way to stifle innovation
I would also like an option for "do not switch" and "none". I'd vote "none".
So providing those options wouldn't help me, although it's otherwise interesting to note that you'd vote "none".
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> they are e2e encrypted Only if you trust Facebook with their proprietary software. And on Telegram you can easily export your history at any time and delete from the servers.
Covered your first point in my other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25670543 . Not copy-pasting because I don't want to come off as spammy. Isn't MTProto proprietary as well? Also, the option to delete on a periodic basis is not an alternative to not having things stored in the first place. That said, there is no way you can verify that copies are not retained on the servers in either case (WhatsA…
Clients are open-source, so you can see the code for e2e encryption.
> That said, there is no way you can verify that copies are not retained on the servers in either case (WhatsApp or Telegram) so there's not much to argue there.
This is exactly true, so I actually prefer Matrix.
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Why would you want your government to mandate how technology works? Sounds like a recipe for disaster and the perfect way to stifle innovation
Is it not reasonable to demand interoperability for one of the main methods of communication in the entire world ? Forcing a specific standard is problematic, but it would be reasonable to ask any communication service to provide a fully documented and public API with features and access equal to the features and access of the official application. Random nerds make integrations to whatever application/protocol is in…
If users don't want that, they should be free not to have that.
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What gripes did you run into with Signal? Most of my friends (tech or non-tech) use Signal, so I'm really curious.
So one of the key differences was that when I loaded Telegram, I had a list of contacts ready to go, people who already had Telegram. I sent a message to a few people via iMessage using the "Invite Friends" menu item. When I tried Signal, I saw an empty list and had to add numbers / find people myself. Not much in the way of onboarding IMO. My complaints are likely met with "duh, that's how it works, idiot", I believ…
There were some permissions settings that I didn't pay close attention to, but maybe you didn't allow the app to control your calls or see your contacts on setup?
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Because innovative != ethical! Hopefully it would stifle innovation that depends on tracking users and platform lock-in. I think there would certainly be space for innovation beyond that, possibly with even better conditions for competition as it would be easier for users to move between platforms.
What if as a user I'm happy to get a free service and be tracked?
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That page, is also an article from 2017 :-)
I, too, from some other comments in this thread, just found out that chat history transfer has been a feature since June 2020: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/9/21280664/signal-chat-trans...
Personally I use Telegram because there's a distribution of it on F-Droid. If you do you should consider telling your friends to only use secret chats since only those are encrypted end-to-end. Signal has some nice features like not storing your in-app contacts on their servers and the "sealed sender" feature which largely hides who is talking to whom in a conversation.
As for the others I can't really comment on them. Maybe another option to consider is Briar[1] which works entirely peer-to-peer over Tor, Bluetooth or the LAN and defers sending until both devices are online at the same time (which might work for phones).