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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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> involving use of our platform to incite violent insurrection against a democratically elected government. From my understanding the video that got banned asked everyone to go home peacefully but then continued to claim election fraud?

See for yourself:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/trump-releases-statement-telli...

Someone described this video as taking a log off the fire while simultaneously pouring gasoline which I think is a fair characterization.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #10

What exactly Trump said to spark this? All information I found is rumors, that he posted a video asking people to respect the police, stop the violence and go home. Anyone has seen the video and texts in question and can tell me? EDIT: mass downvoting people, seriously? I didn't even defend Trump (or Biden), I asked a question, I am from Brazil and wanted to know what happened.

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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #56

Facebook is not a platform to have a voice. It’s a platform that harvests thoughts and publicizes the ones FB most agrees with while censoring those it does not. This is a slippery slope and, quite frankly, it’s the people that lose.

> publicizes the ones FB most agrees with Change this to > publicizes the ones expected to make FB the most money and I agree with you. Either way, they should not be an arbiter of public discourse.

> Either way, they should not be an arbiter of public discourse.

They can be, but they should lose their platform status and be treated as a publisher, ie. take full responsibility for content on their pages. You can't have both.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#95
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government bu…

Exactly. BLM rioters created enormous damage yet I never saw any news that BLM/Antifa are indefinitely blocked from FB.

Yeah! They should suspended the CEO of ANTIFA from FB, Twitter, Parler, WhatsApp, Telegram, and the Dominos app!

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#96

Facebook is not a platform to have a voice. It’s a platform that harvests thoughts and publicizes the ones FB most agrees with while censoring those it does not. This is a slippery slope and, quite frankly, it’s the people that lose.

I wonder what the implications are as far as facilitating folks who wish to take undemocratic steps that would seem to bring us closer to far more serious restrictions, imposed by those same folks as far as how a democracy is or isn't allowed to operate.

Is it someone's right to use a platform to push an agenda that leads to impacting other people's rights?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#97

> involving use of our platform to incite violent insurrection against a democratically elected government. From my understanding the video that got banned asked everyone to go home peacefully but then continued to claim election fraud?

You are correct the video all the platforms are using to justify the bans explicitly asked people to go home. Previously he had urged them to be peaceful which they mostly were as evidenced by the fact that no capitol staff or police were in any way injured during the incident. edit: Leaving my comment intact as there are people who have replied. VBProgrammer pointed out that a portion of my statement is not true. Th…

Then doubling down on the narrative that drives these people, one that is directly opposed to peaceful transfer of power: the illegitimacy of the election results. That's an incredibly dangerous message from the President of the United States, he's telling them to go home in one sentence and riling them up in the other, that encourages further insurrection around his persona.

Facebook is in the right not to allow that spark when whole situation is a powder keg.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#98
post #16

Now that Trump doesn't serve any value to Twitter or Facebook the bans come. Before they justified his behavior because he brought them viewers. It may be cynical but too convenient to play the morality card now.

Exactly my thinking. It's just too obvious to me. Now that it's too late they're playing the "moral" card.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#99

If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the right move. Four people are dead today because they listened to Donald Trump, and FB and Twitter bear some responsibility for handing him that megaphone. Stopping him from calling for further violence is the bare minimum they can do here.

I keep seeing 'armed mob' posted everywhere without any evidence. What were they armed with? I watched the whole thing live from many angles and I saw plenty of people doing dumb shit like breaking windows and such. The majority just waltzed in took a tour and walked out. They even obeyed the velvet ropes in the entryway. edit: looks like at least one person was inside the capitol with a firearm and four others were…

There were 5 arrests for firearm offences, a cooler full of molotov cocktails and 2 pipebombs.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/ashli-babbit...

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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post #10

What exactly Trump said to spark this? All information I found is rumors, that he posted a video asking people to respect the police, stop the violence and go home. Anyone has seen the video and texts in question and can tell me? EDIT: mass downvoting people, seriously? I didn't even defend Trump (or Biden), I asked a question, I am from Brazil and wanted to know what happened.

People branding his flags and hats stormed the Capitol walls and Senate floor, as he delayed an eventual reiteration that the elections were rigged, they should be furious, but now they should go home and that he loved them very much and were very special people. There were nooses propped up, people died, and elected officials were bunkered. His close sources also reported that he watched on TV with manic joy at what…

That's not relevant to the question he asked.

> What exactly Trump said to spark this?

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