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Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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post #88

The problem is not finding a nice alternative. The problem is that everybody's contacts are on Whatsapp. How do you make THEM switch?

You uninstall WhatsApp and tell your closest family and friends that they can only reach you on Signal. Because you are so important to them, they will install Signal as a backup/secondary app. Other people will do the same, and it will snowball into everyone having Signal installed and at some point people will realise that the network effect is gone.

This is happening. First they get surprised that communication is possible beyond WA, even exactly the same. My mother's reaction was hilarious after sending me photos from Signal, free of charge. She was thinking only WA is free, every other app will charge her. I had to explain that calling, voice or video is also possible, without any payment.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#193

Where is the "Don't switch" option? Because as much as I hate that Facebook bought them, they're part of what I would call "critical social infrastructure." Asking to leave WhatsApp is like cancelling your contract with your ISP and going offline just because you don't like the company.

Regardless of your opinion of this comment, it's still worthwhile to have the option of "staying with WhatsApp" in the poll.

The question is "To which app are you going to switch?", not "What are you using?"

It may take a long time and huge effort to switch, but people are starting to do it.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#194

Where is the "Don't switch" option? Because as much as I hate that Facebook bought them, they're part of what I would call "critical social infrastructure." Asking to leave WhatsApp is like cancelling your contract with your ISP and going offline just because you don't like the company.

Regardless of your opinion of this comment, it's still worthwhile to have the option of "staying with WhatsApp" in the poll.

Yes, the second paragraph in the parent comment is a distraction from the valid point.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#195

Where is the "Don't switch" option? Because as much as I hate that Facebook bought them, they're part of what I would call "critical social infrastructure." Asking to leave WhatsApp is like cancelling your contract with your ISP and going offline just because you don't like the company.

I honestly wish I understood what the big deal is. Don't give the app any permissions and you're good. All they can share then are your contacts.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not a good comparison. There are many alternatives to WhatsApp and it’s not a „critical“ infrastructure. In contrast, you sometimes can’t choose your ISP and internet is much more critical.

It can be in area's (such as in The Netherlands) where literally _everyone_ is on WhatsApp and it is the default form of personal online communication. Not using WhatsApp means not being able to communicate with a lot of people.

Same with Portugal and Facebook messenger. I found a solution but it's less than ideal. I have less friends now.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#198

Where is the "Don't switch" option? Because as much as I hate that Facebook bought them, they're part of what I would call "critical social infrastructure." Asking to leave WhatsApp is like cancelling your contract with your ISP and going offline just because you don't like the company.

Right, exactly, I have to use WhatsApp because it's what everyone else uses, so leaving isn't even an option.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#199

Where is the "Don't switch" option? Because as much as I hate that Facebook bought them, they're part of what I would call "critical social infrastructure." Asking to leave WhatsApp is like cancelling your contract with your ISP and going offline just because you don't like the company.

How is it possible for this answer to be first... Really HN? WhatsApp is critical infrastructure?? Excluding company ownership, what is the crucial difference between all IM listed? There's LITTLE DIFFERENCE, they all serve the same purpose, feature parity is pretty much there. When you add company ownership to the mix, WhatsApp is owned by fucking Facebook. Let that sear in your mind.

WhatsApp serves the purpose of talking to my friends and family. Signal serves the purpose of talking to myself

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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post #43

Been using Telegram for a long time. I don't trust it any more than I do with WhatsApp (therefore, Facebook), however it is well done and thought out, has a real desktop client with a real desktop UI toolkit and enough of my contacts are on it already, therefore it's the best compromise to me. I greatly dislike Signal's UI when I tried it out and I've read about some weird decisions lately (that "using a PIN? uploadi…

For people that are not aware: There's a Telegram FOSS [1] fork which contains all kinds of fixes; and additionally is Google Services and tracking free, which means it will run on AOSP and LineageOS without any burden of push services. You can verify this yourself with AppWarden [2]. [1] https://github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS [2] https://gitlab.com/AuroraOSS/AppWarden

being FOSS just in the client side, IMO changes little in comparsion with WhatsApp.
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