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Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

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Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#131

It would (have been?) interesting to know who isn't switching anywhere (and/or not considering to switch) Also, I can't seem to find anything about a messenger named Zom, do you mean Zoom? If so, is Zoom really something people use for the same use case as Whatsapp?

I'm not switching anywhere. Maybe I could get my closest friends to switch, but WhatsApp is so absolutely ubiquitous that I know I'll continue using it to chat with others, that's how I've been contacting contractors, clients, where we have interest groups....I'll start switching over when people I know do.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#133
I just have joined Discord because, I joined a language class and needed some way to communicate to the classmates. And all other people are on whatsapp, and hence it became official channel of communication. A fellow classmate was kind enough to join discord to have discussions and give me updates.

Due to network effects, whatsapp still holds lion share. It is not a problem if it is optional tool that has to be used just for talking to friends. But, I am seeing it is being used for even communicating to school children by teachers and schools as almost official channel! In such cases, there does not exist much choice, at least in my country. People just refuse to use mail or call directly.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#134
The last time this came up was when WhatsApp was bought by Facebook.

All my friends splittered around Telegram, Signal, Threema, Riot etc.

I wish we could finally find one system to use again.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#135

See why Signal is not much better than Whatsapp: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668547 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25669657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668659 Edit: if you would like to avoid constant switching in the future, you have to think long-term and consider a distributed network, not another walled garden.

You are completely missing the point of todays discussion, it's not about who can distribute binaries or implement client. It's about not giving Facebook more data.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#136
One thing I'd like to know about any messaging platform is how easy it is to export my messages for backup purposes.

Signal, for example, seems to be designed to store messages only on a single active device, which is normally a mobile device. Lose access to your device, perhaps to theft, maybe to accidental damage or hardware failure, and you lose all your messages.

I'm all for privacy, but security matters too, and that includes being able to keep safe copies of my own data on my own terms. With things like emails, or even mobile SMS messages, there are tools widely available to do this, and I can export my data and have it encrypted locally and then stored safely off-site. Too many new messaging systems seem to be fighting against this for various reasons, and I don't think it's a healthy trend.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#137
The two that stand out are telegram and signal, and which is better for you depends on your personal balance of usability vs. privacy.

I personally can't use signal. It's great that it's secure, but I can't tolerate frequent reliability issues when it comes to messaging. The first thing that comes to mind is group chat, and having messages show up in a different order on everyone's phones (discovered via screenshots), often with multiple-hour delays.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#138

Have been investigating matrix/element.io over the last few months so will probably move to that

I have been using matrix mostly as an IRC/Gitter client but also for a small number of non-technical friends. It is making excellent progress but has a long way to come. However I do think it is the right investment due to the direction and funding it has.

Some weak points (based on using element.io clients which has some features that aren't core matrix):

- Cross-session signing is not natural to set up for users, however this likely isn't much of an issue as most of these will just use it on their phone. However this can also be an issue if they want to switch device but lost their keys.

- e2e verification is a bit awkward. No great TOFU option which makes initial setup a bit awkward, you can do it but the UI doesn't encourage it. It would also be interesting to have the option to "share" your verification. So if friend X says they trust these keys for friend Y I can import Y without further verification.

- Occasionally new devices don't want to send messages to the remote user's session. So the user just gets a "Message encrypted" notification with no indication to me that I sent a message not encrypted to all of the user's sessions.

- Voice + Video is super basic for 1:1 calls. For >2 users it uses Jitsi which is fantastic but this different UX between the two is also confusing. I'm hoping that when Jitsi launches e2e encrypted calls it can just be used for everything.

- Visually the app is cluttered and not perfectly clear. For 1:1 calls "bubbles" such as used by most chat apps are super clear. Matrix uses a design better for many user chats but can be less clear. Especially replies look a bit odd in Element.

- URL previews are only supported on web and need to be turned on per-chat (if encrypted). This is for legitimate privacy reasons but is a sacrifice of UX.

Overall once you get it set up it just works and has all of the features that a user would expect. However I'm looking forward to a lot of the polish landing which will make it compelling on UX grounds alone, whereas now it just seems like the best compromise when you consider the privacy and decentralization features.

Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp

#139
post #43

Been using Telegram for a long time. I don't trust it any more than I do with WhatsApp (therefore, Facebook), however it is well done and thought out, has a real desktop client with a real desktop UI toolkit and enough of my contacts are on it already, therefore it's the best compromise to me. I greatly dislike Signal's UI when I tried it out and I've read about some weird decisions lately (that "using a PIN? uploadi…

Note that normal Telegram chats are not end to end encrypted. You have to start a “secret chat” for that.

And you cannot use e2e chats at all on desktop or GNU/Linux phones.
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