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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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I'm in the EU. WhatsApp showed me a screen about new term of service right now. There were two buttons, Agree and Not Now. I tapped Not Now, it kept working.

Yes, but if you don't accept before 1 July, you will have to find another solution for your messaging needs.

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I get frustrated by things like this, these walled gardens of people I know. I wish I could just switch to signal but I've found people would rather just not talk to me than download a new messenger app I've settled for just talking to the people I can convince on different messengers and now have ~5 messenger apps on my phone.

I don't have a large friend group, but got most of them to switch after I left Facebook. I just don't tell people I have WA and only use it if I'm forced to. You might have better luck since Signal has improved a lot in the last 6 months and there is a good desktop app. But you might need better friends. Friends that might warn you about how your username suggests you're a Nazi (I assume this is unintentional and just your birthday year)[0]

[0] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=88

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The part that creeps me out the most is WhatsApp’s aggressiveness towards getting your Contacts. Other apps want them but WhatsApp hardly works without the permission. Why hasn’t Apple introduced a private/segmented Contacts permission like they have Photos, Location, etc.?

This has been a very long time due.

An ability to give untrustworthy software an access to a sandboxed blank copy of Contacts would've been very useful.

As a side note, Telegram is the same as WhatsApp. You can't start a chat on a fresh install unless you give it an access to the contacts. There's no way to manually add in-app contacts. Given how "pro-privacy" they are supposed to be, this was rather disconcerting to see.

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I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?

I've used Signal for years, and for most of that time only had about three people who also used it in my contacts. My wife recently got her entire extended family to use Signal. She has always refused to use WhatsApp. They all love Signal now, and use it all the time. However, this was during a family crisis. During the Covid lockdowns, many companies I know used Signal as their preferred non corporate communication…

but can you do video calls on Signal?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

huh? it's listed: "and showing relevant offers and ads"

Sure but the fate of WhatsApp messages is unclear for me just by reading this excerpt. Do they use them for ads?

Yes they (would)do.

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

#466

I'm in the EU. WhatsApp showed me a screen about new term of service right now. There were two buttons, Agree and Not Now. I tapped Not Now, it kept working.

I’m in Australia and just recorded it. There was Agree and an X in the corner... I X’d and it kept working.

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

#467
I am in the EU, and this is what I have been presented with:

„ By tapping Agree, you accept the new terms, which take effect on February 8, 2021. After this date, you’ll need to accept the new terms to continue using WhatsApp. You can also visit the Help Center if you would prefer to delete your account and would like more information. To learn more about how WhatsApp processes your data, read our updated privacy policy“ (with an Agree button underneath).

I could close the window. But there is a hard deadline apparently: Feb 8th.

F* you Facebook. I‘d rather stop using Whatsapp altogether.

Edit:

Will start using Signal app, and for the transition period I‘ll keep an old smartphone with a throwaway Sim card and WhatsApp installed on it to keep updates from absolutely necessary groups I need to be part of.

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

#468

I'm in the EU. WhatsApp showed me a screen about new term of service right now. There were two buttons, Agree and Not Now. I tapped Not Now, it kept working.

I'm in the EU and clicked agree before I realised the implications. Now I want to withdraw my consent, but there doesn't seem to be a way to do this. Am I overlooking something or is that not possible (which would violate GDPR)?

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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I mean, it’s annoying, but I’m at the point where I wonder if it does matter at all. I don’t let WhatsApp access my contacts or photos. I tried very hard for a long time to not give Facebook my phone number. But if any of my contacts agrees to this, my phone number is given to Facebook (without my consent). So, what are my options really? Delete my account? And then what? My number will be given to them anyways.

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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post #267

I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?

Yes, I've moved all my friends and family to Telegram and it's been great. I communicate with them daily since many months.

I hope you're fine with Telegram sharing your location data.
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