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Post by alisonkisk »

notacoward wrote: post #854
samch wrote: post #528

I think, for the safety of all involved, it may be time to enact section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Amendment 25 - Section 4: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the Pr…

You left out a very important part. If the president contests the exercise of the 25th, it gets thrown over to congress, needing a 2/3 majority to become effective. Unlikely. The die-hards will drag it out, until Trump automatically loses the presidency on January 20 and the whole thing becomes moot. Seems like a bit of a waste of time TBH. Even impeachment seems more likely to yield results within the necessary time…

No. The President is out for at least 21 days (more than no minutes in this case) if the supermajority does not materialize.

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Post by mFixman »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #120

Boy do I wish there was a place to discuss politics in a dispassionate way. I find these events fascinating from a historical and sociological point of view. It really is history in the making. HN is pretty good at this when it comes to other topics, when when it turns political, everyone pulls out their partisan membership card.

I don't think it's possible to join politics with upvote ranking systems.

All Internet forums are either too small and cliquish for people to have different opinions, or large enough to have snack rise to the top over actual analysis.

Is there a general political discussion group in the Internet that's both unbiased and high quality? I cannot think of a single one.

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Post by trub »

umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

deregulation of the media

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Post by colanderman »

samch wrote: post #528

I think, for the safety of all involved, it may be time to enact section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Amendment 25 - Section 4: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the Pr…

I wonder if Pence and the cabinet have already done so, in secret? Apparently it was Pence, not Trump, who ordered in the National Guard [1], and there doesn't seem to be any requirement in 25/4 that Pence and the cabinet inform anyone but the President pro tempore and Speaker that they have done as much.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/pence-national-guard...

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Post by [deleted] »

umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

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Post by davesque »

eloff wrote: post #823
samch wrote: post #528

I think, for the safety of all involved, it may be time to enact section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Amendment 25 - Section 4: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the Pr…

That's a bad idea. His presidency is basically over. The only thing it would accomplish is to convince his diehard supporters that a coup is in fact taking place and they should respond in kind.

Ridiculous. The brazen depravity of this man must be met with consequences. Life is tolerable because we agree on a system of laws to abide by. What you're saying is like claiming it's fine to cheat on an exam if it's the last week of your degree. A harsh example must be made out of Trump.

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Post by manmal »

mhh__ wrote: post #242
bryanlarsen wrote: post #112

"Democracy is a system in which parties lose elections" - Przeworski In other words, the core concept of democracy isn't the elections or any of the other trappings, it's the fact that it's possible for one group to lose power, transition to another group and retain the possibility to transition back in a subsequent election to the original group.

On that note, the Pa. State Senate Republicans are just refusing to swear in their new democratic colleagues. I Can't wait for this attitude to inevitably cross the pond.

I find it hard to believe that that would even work in most EU countries.

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Post by jolincost »

umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

It's called democracy.

Moreover my analysis and reflection of the last 4 years where in I awakened and gained a sort of political consciousness after previously in my life having zero care for politics in any way is

This is a particular evolution of democracy which I call Democratic theater and it relies on deceptive control of the population by the media and the intelligence and security apparatus to provide the illusion of freedom to prevent the need for delivering real results by keeping the population in a constant state of confusion and conflict by supporting both sides of an artificial divide to prolong the state of conflict

I guess some of the beneficiaries of this are upwards who can benefit from the enhanced media appeal of this division but I think the primary beneficiary is the status quo and it's done to preserve power in a system where people expect to be free but are basically constrained but given this outlet which is a sort of cathartic entertainment, the purpose of which is to channel genuine to satisfaction into controlled avenues so that it never actually emerges as revolution or organized political action that has any chance of disrupting the status quo in a meaningful way

I believe it's a form of controlled opposition where a cabal of intelligence security and media interests control both sides of the conflict and I believe these sort of mass phenomena are driven by masters of narrative control psychology sociology.

I started off believing that Trump would do what he said and kind of save America and root out these shackles and the cabal of interest that keeps them in place but it seems he was just a charlatan who couldn't deliver and perhaps never intended to. I now believe it's likely that Trump was probably compromised by the very same cabal of interests who got him to dance to the tune they wanted as a puppet for 4 years as part of his great charade

In essence all of this Democratic theater is more window dressing for business as usual.

I'm happy to hear different opinions and to update my own perspective but I'm not going to debate this it simply the belief that I've arrived at at this time after many years of reflection and thought.

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Post by jolincost »

jolincost wrote: post #898
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

It's called democracy. Moreover my analysis and reflection of the last 4 years where in I awakened and gained a sort of political consciousness after previously in my life having zero care for politics in any way is This is a particular evolution of democracy which I call Democratic theater and it relies on deceptive control of the population by the media and the intelligence and security apparatus to provide the ill…

Edit restriction, s/upwards/corporates/

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Post by JamisonM »

jolincost wrote: post #898
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

It's called democracy. Moreover my analysis and reflection of the last 4 years where in I awakened and gained a sort of political consciousness after previously in my life having zero care for politics in any way is This is a particular evolution of democracy which I call Democratic theater and it relies on deceptive control of the population by the media and the intelligence and security apparatus to provide the ill…

I am very interested to hear about this cabal that controls both Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell - how does that work? How did the ACA get passed in such an environment? How did the Trump Tax Cut get passed? NAFTA? The failure of the TPP? What about the provisions in the recent omnibus that contained all sorts of support for green energy? What are the mechanics of this system?
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