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In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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I believe it would be ~9 * 3.5(i.e. fx_rate/ppp)= ~31.5 cents and not 1.91 USD.

Only thing no one in the world can beat Indians at, is at calculating money cost and profits.

Growing up in poverty and seeing it all around you will do that to people. It's not a special thing that Indians only possess.

Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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India's female labor participation rate is 20%. In China, it's 60%. Smartphones can help bridge that gap a bit but real progress will probably come from creating safe, well-paying jobs.

Seems unlikely this 20% number implies that 80% of women are sitting at home drinking tea & looking after kids. Where is it from? Is this formal sector employment? IIRC the informal labor market is something like 80% of the country in total. Lots of people work in ways that are difficult to gather statistics about.

80% of women are doing tasks at home which technically doesn't count as employment, but which as just as (if not more) important to overall productivity of a nation.

Workers are more productive when they're happier, that's why we have 40-hour workdays, weekends off, trying out the 4 day week, etc. When workers' kids are cared for well, when they have good food at home, when they have a robust social life (women often connect their families to others while men are away at work), then they are more productive.

Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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One example from your own experience is not generalizable.

It isn't meant to be. It's meant to be an existence proof to allow people the freedom to work.

Women have the freedom to work in India...

Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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Liberating women from what exactly? It all seems ridiculous myth making, considering what indians have shared here on HN about how much asymmetrical power indian women have available through the court system in India, and the sort of abuses they inflict regularly, the misuse of the assymetry for material gain etc. But yeah I get it. It's the new Democracy + Capitalism freedom making program they NEED to go through fo…

> Liberating women from what exactly? Take your pick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_women_in_Indi...

Hah this article. Was this even wikipedia? So it concludes that we need to take down the Patriarchy and the Sexism in India.

So I was right. We need to intervene in their society, and change it to liberate their women. Because we know best. And whoever doesn't align with that, must be supportive of violence against women. Shame on them too.

Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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more expensive inputs to construct and maintain cell networks in the USA. If you look at Indian telcos and US telcos, they have similar profit margins.

I think it's moreso that you can't get blood out of a stone (people wouldn't buy it over there if it cost more) and the true cost of mobile data distributed over all customers is close to $0.

Why doesn't verizon have 600% net margins then?

Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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Yeah, but it's a serious waste of their abilities as humans. It's no surprise that dual-professional households there who hire specialists for the cooking and looking after the house parts have better lives (as judged by the fact that few women who are professionals will want to become housewives while the opposite is a common desire).

How is taking care of their children a serious waste of their abilities as humans? When you look at all the BS jobs around, spending your time taking care of your family sounds much more productive and rewarding to me.

It's not rewarding when those kids are the reason you are extremely poor. Population growth requires ever increasing productivity to maintain the same standard of living or people must sacrifice their standard of living until they die from preventable diseases or starvation.

Forcing people to have less children is bad (see one child policy). If people want to have less children voluntarily then you've found a way to success.

Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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post #98

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How is taking care of their children a serious waste of their abilities as humans? When you look at all the BS jobs around, spending your time taking care of your family sounds much more productive and rewarding to me.

It's not rewarding when those kids are the reason you are extremely poor. Population growth requires ever increasing productivity to maintain the same standard of living or people must sacrifice their standard of living until they die from preventable diseases or starvation. Forcing people to have less children is bad (see one child policy). If people want to have less children voluntarily then you've found a way to…

Money doesn't make everyone (or even the rich) happy. Family ties are proven to make people happier

Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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From the article;

> Ravi Agarwal, author of the 2018 book India Connected: How the Smartphone Is Transforming the World's Largest Democracy says that for many Indians, the smartphone is their first private TV screen, personal music player, computer, and camera. Agarwal compares it to the experience of owning a car for the first time—autonomy, privacy, and mobility.

Exactly right! This is what is truly liberating to the underprivileged.

Re: In India, smartphones and cheap data are giving women a voice

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Ah. I just crossed 500 days of ban on high speed mobile internet. So much for cheap data and fundamental right. I think indian supreme court even decided against declaring intenet as a fundamental right because the same wasnt in the constitution. Smh.
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