I have worked on many a project in my time, and I can't think of a single instance where we knowingly screwed over users or clients. Our teams' goals have always been to make the product better. What's going on here? I am honestly curious.
WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
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#252Anyone know of a way to backup everything from whatsapp, including video and voice messages? I have 5 years of messages between me and my wife on whatsapp i'd like to preserve some how before moving off.
There should also be a copy of the messages database, and I'm sure there is some open source app to decrypt it somewhere.
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#253The founder of Whatsapp (1) claims that Facebook promised Whatsapp would not be monetised, and that Facebook and and Whatsapp's data would not be combined. This information was also provided to European antitrust regulators (2) missed out on $850 stock option grants vesting by quitting early over disputes with Facebook about monetisation strategy (3) promoted #deletefacebook on Whatsapp following the Cambridge Anlaly…
Why did he think Mark wanted to pay 19 billion for whatsapp? To not make any money.
Textual messaging is a low-data-use (accessible to the cheapest phones with the smallest data packages) entrypoint to capture a person's social network so you can have other opportunities to capture them again and again with other services in the future. Facebook saw India as an especially huge burgeoning market at that time (hence Internet-dot-org / Free Basics), and afaik WhatsApp is ubiquitous there.
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#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatsapp had to compete with SMS, so when I was introduced to WhatsApp I thought it was a godsend and immediately adopted it. Also advertised it to all my friends. Switching now might be harder because there is a lot less to gain, besides some non-tangible “privacy”. What is this thing called “privacy”?
I was nodding along with your comment, wondering why it had been downvoted until I reached your last statement and couldn't tell if you were being serious or not.
To be honest, I'm not well versed in the debate of privacy, but invariably in discussing user tracking by BigCo's a lot of my friends just say "I don't care if they have my data, I've got nothing to hide."
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#255What I don't get is this, there are real-life people working at these companies. What are the managers and developers at Facebook/Whatsapp thinking? Are there hi-fives in the hallways to celebrate the impending win? I have worked on many a project in my time, and I can't think of a single instance where we knowingly screwed over users or clients. Our teams' goals have always been to make the product better. What's go…
Monetization often trumps customer's best interests. It certainly has at most companies where I've worked (but not all).
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#256I use LineageOS for privacy reasons, and intercept various things I consider to be privacy violations.
I very much disagree with these ways of operating, for systems that monopolize human-to-human communication.
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#257> [The spokeswoman] said there will be no change in how WhatsApp shares provides data with Facebook for non-business chats and account data. That sounds a lot less alarming, in the third to last paragraph, than the headline or first few paragraphs? Don't get me wrong, I ditched Facebook years ago, and wouldn't use WhatsApp but for family and a pre-Corona club I wouldn't have (much at all) contact with otherwise. That…
I use LineageOS for privacy reasons, and intercept various things I consider to be privacy violations.
I very much disagree with these ways of operating, for systems that monopolize human-to-human communication. We live in a bunch of walled garden communication apps, people don't use any open systems like e-mail and phone anymore, and those walled garden apps bully us into giving them data? They are all starting to behave the same way.
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#258What I don't get is this, there are real-life people working at these companies. What are the managers and developers at Facebook/Whatsapp thinking? Are there hi-fives in the hallways to celebrate the impending win? I have worked on many a project in my time, and I can't think of a single instance where we knowingly screwed over users or clients. Our teams' goals have always been to make the product better. What's go…
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#259> [The spokeswoman] said there will be no change in how WhatsApp shares provides data with Facebook for non-business chats and account data. That sounds a lot less alarming, in the third to last paragraph, than the headline or first few paragraphs? Don't get me wrong, I ditched Facebook years ago, and wouldn't use WhatsApp but for family and a pre-Corona club I wouldn't have (much at all) contact with otherwise. That…
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#260Anyone have any opinion why Wire didn't take of? E2E, good functionality (chat, group chat, video chat, voice chat, GIF images emojis yadda yadda yadda), multi-device, clients for all major platforms (eg for the iPad, unlike WhatsApp), open source, phone number or email as identifier, audited, Swiss/EU servers, no profiling, no ads... Can't find any downside, really - except that few people are on it.