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"Democracy is a system in which parties lose elections" - Przeworski In other words, the core concept of democracy isn't the elections or any of the other trappings, it's the fact that it's possible for one group to lose power, transition to another group and retain the possibility to transition back in a subsequent election to the original group.

I would understand conspiracy theories when the incumbent party keeps on winning. It's easy to come to conclusion that the game is rigged in less democratic countries where the person wins over and over with 90% of the votes, or with leaders such as Putin. But I just don't understand how losing an election that was looked over by members of your own party, and won by similar margins which you won by previously, can b…

> how losing an election that was looked over by members of your own party, and won by similar margins which you won by previously, can be this controversial.

this all stems from videos, witness statements, and statistical anomalies that suggest the election wasn't conducted properly; and the refusal of certain parts of the government to effectively examine these claims and their supporting evidence in a public and transparent manner. You've still got people claiming there was no evidence, even after videos emerged of ballot counting without the legal requirements and of people employing sleight-of-hand to remove a thumb drive from a counting location. These incidents may or may not be significant enough to change the outcome of the election but when they don't appear to be taken seriously and investigated properly, it creates the impression that some people aren't very concerned with election integrity.

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#782

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

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Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

Yeah, I do based on the evidence presented (https://hereistheevidence.com/), the lack of legal cooperation and understanding from the Democrats, and the premature media dismissal and disrespectful treatment of the Republicans. I know a large part of the evidence is not compelling, but the combination of factors before, during, and after the election made me require a proper localized audit for several key places to be convinced fraud hasn't happened. I'm not satisfied with the care that was taken to guarantee the election was not fraudulent.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Its just easier to believe what you want to believe. Than what really is.

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post #56

I wonder how different this headline would be if the latitude of this event was just a few degrees to the south...

Depends on if it was in favour of the US or not.

If it's a party that wants to execute on US foreign policy, it'll be a heroic story of freedom fighters trying to retake their country from oppressive

And if it's against a government that executes US foreign policy, it'll be a story about an attempted coup by evil terrorists.

You can look at venezuela for all the examples you need. Guaido and the the couple Americans that tried to assasinate maduro

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#788

The riot is winding down. The Capitol Police cleared the building hours ago, and many of the crowd just hanging around have left. More cops from Virginia and DC have arrived, and are slowly pushing the remaining crowd back. Tomorrow, Congress will finish counting the electoral votes. I suspect that some, if not all, of the planned objections will not be made.

Congress is going to try and reconvene to finish counting the votes tonight.

Yes, and most of the planned objections will not be made. Looks like the plan is to debate the one already made, for Arizona, go through the list quickly, announce the result, and go home.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

#789

"Democracy is a system in which parties lose elections" - Przeworski In other words, the core concept of democracy isn't the elections or any of the other trappings, it's the fact that it's possible for one group to lose power, transition to another group and retain the possibility to transition back in a subsequent election to the original group.

It's an interesting point. One thing I've noticed is that both sides increasingly believe that each election poses an existential risk to their side. Currently you see many conservatives repeating the meme that losing the Senate means a Republican will never win the White House again. The belief being that Democrats will change voting laws, open borders and amnesty to Dem-leaning immigrants, and possibly even pack th…

>Currently you see many conservatives repeating the meme that losing the Senate means a Republican will never win the White House again. The belief being that Democrats will change voting laws, open borders and amnesty to Dem-leaning immigrants, and possibly even pack the Supreme Court and add DC and Puerto Rico as new states.

It is an open secret that they will do all of these things given the opportunity. There's probably one or two D senators in the way of that right now.

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I think, for the safety of all involved, it may be time to enact section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Amendment 25 - Section 4: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the Pr…

Congratulations! You have just escalated the conflict!

Congratulations! You just capitulated to terrorists!
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