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Post by 8note »

root_axis wrote: post #43

This is a failure of leadership by the republicans - plain and simple. I don't care if this comment is perceived as partisan, it's a statement of fact. If the republican leadership had unequivocally come out against the narrative that the election was stolen, this wouldn't be happening. Edit: Yes, it's true that the top leader and his acolytes have engineered this outcome, but the majority of the republican leadershi…

The Republican leadership doesn't lose out from this(this won't flip an anti-abortioner's vote), but have a slight chance at winning out.

It makes sense that they'd leave it alone to do it's thing

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Post by wolfgang42 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #588

CSPAN reporting "The National Association of Manufacturers just asked Mike Pence to 'seriously consider' invoking the 25th amendment", which would remove Trump from effective control as President. Quoting a tweet by Sam Mintz https://nitter.net/samjmintz/status/1346931121423077376#m https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FErFCshI

Upstream source: https://www.nam.org/manufacturers-call-on-armed-thugs-to-cea...

> Vice President Pence, who was evacuated from the Capitol, should seriously consider working with the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment to preserve democracy.

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Post by salawat »

worik wrote: post #732
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Being a member of the "liberal elite" (I think I am) I think it is our fault. We lost our mojo. We forgot that leadership is not leaving anybody behind. We left a lot of people behind, then we blamed them for not keeping up. Sorry, on behalf of my class, I really am sorry. The consequences, when we face ecological catastrophe, could be very serious indeed. Stay safe, people, and be kind

Well, at least there's one sensible person here, but don't look at yourself as an Atlas. Like it or not, it's one of these dirty collective behavior issues we haven't all come to terms with yet.

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Post by NOGDP »

lazyjones wrote: post #218
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Having a trustworthy election process might go a long way (voter ID, regular verification when doubts arise etc.). As a European I find the images from Georgia's vote counting absolutely astonishing.

> As a European I find the images from Georgia's vote counting absolutely astonishing.

What images?

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Post by 8note »

hedora wrote: post #589
root_axis wrote: post #43

This is a failure of leadership by the republicans - plain and simple. I don't care if this comment is perceived as partisan, it's a statement of fact. If the republican leadership had unequivocally come out against the narrative that the election was stolen, this wouldn't be happening. Edit: Yes, it's true that the top leader and his acolytes have engineered this outcome, but the majority of the republican leadershi…

Many Republicans on TV agree with you. The party needs to split into the anti-democracy, pro-Trump faction, and the rest of the party. The moderate wing could easily pull some people that voted Democrat this year, and form a stable, coalition government. This would help de-radicalize our political system.

The democrats could peal out their conservatives too.

Then you could have the progressives, the moderates, the ultra conservatives, and I guess a Texas separation party, and it'll be like Canada

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Post by RhodoYolo »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #717
ben_w wrote: post #423

Here’s a “fun” thought: if you were running a foreign intelligence operation in the USA, surely you’d try to get one of your agents into the mob that got into the Capitol building and given free reign over all those computers, computers that were not locked properly before the legitimate users fled for their safety? I’m not just talking about Russia and China here, I mean all the intelligence agencies.

Members of Congress have very limited access to secrets, and none of it will be on the unlocked computer in their front office. That’s (mostly) because such information is the domain of the executive branch.

Secrets is a very lose term here. I'm sure some wall street dudes would pay millions to get the emails of congress members. Also, just because the computers locked doesn't mean i can't copy a hard drive...

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Post by tboyd47 »

umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Smith-Mundt Act repeal in 2010 leading to the flood of CIA propaganda directed at citizens.

As a wise man once said, the chickens have come home to roost.

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Post by api »

worik wrote: post #732
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Being a member of the "liberal elite" (I think I am) I think it is our fault. We lost our mojo. We forgot that leadership is not leaving anybody behind. We left a lot of people behind, then we blamed them for not keeping up. Sorry, on behalf of my class, I really am sorry. The consequences, when we face ecological catastrophe, could be very serious indeed. Stay safe, people, and be kind

I think it goes back to how the culture war split the working class from the left and led the left to become associated with rich coastal mega-cities. The working class is predominately socially conservative.
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