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Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by plumeria »

justicezyx wrote: post #78
jtdev wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems ironic for a Chinese tech organization to hold boatloads of patents...

It's well-known that China is very serious about IPs. At least to people actually paying attention to Chinese domestic policies. A lot of Chinese firms knowingly violates IP laws in the past, because they understand there is not enough resources to enforce them. Additionally, Chinese government has been very open about the plan to enforce IP laws gradually to the same standard as the global market. A good balance has…

> It's well-known that China is very serious about IPs.

> Chinese government has been very open about the plan to enforce IP laws gradually to the same standard as the global market.

IMHO, these two statements contradict themselves.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by corbet »

lrossi wrote: post #8

Original post: https://lwn.net/Articles/839772/ Lines of code are not a good metric for the importance of the contributions. You can see that the top developer actually made a single 26k loc commit that just removed a driver.

I would love to find better metrics than changesets and lines of codes — I agree that both are awful ways of measuring actual software-development work. I have yet to find something better, though; suggestions welcome.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

threeseed wrote: post #65
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they insist Chinese law is used outside China They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements, but that's relatively minor compared to, say, the United States forcing its sanctions policy on the rest of the world. Everyone around the world is afraid of doing business with Cuba, Iran, Huawei, and other targets of US sanctions, because the US aggressively applies secondary sanctions. Th…

> They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements I love how you refer to mass kidnapping of protestors from Hong Kong "touchy".

I didn't say anything remotely like that.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by MegaDeKay »

bluedino wrote: post #89
lrossi wrote: post #8

Original post: https://lwn.net/Articles/839772/ Lines of code are not a good metric for the importance of the contributions. You can see that the top developer actually made a single 26k loc commit that just removed a driver.

Aren't there 2 million lines just for the AMD drivers?

Much of this is auto-generated header files e.g.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5....

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

#105

Post by m463 »

corbet wrote: post #102
lrossi wrote: post #8

Original post: https://lwn.net/Articles/839772/ Lines of code are not a good metric for the importance of the contributions. You can see that the top developer actually made a single 26k loc commit that just removed a driver.

I would love to find better metrics than changesets and lines of codes — I agree that both are awful ways of measuring actual software-development work. I have yet to find something better, though; suggestions welcome.

I wonder if folks should even look for it, because it will become an employment metric.

sorry you spent too much time on "learning", we need more "corbet-curve-units" from you.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by m463 »

plumeria wrote: post #101
justicezyx wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's well-known that China is very serious about IPs. At least to people actually paying attention to Chinese domestic policies. A lot of Chinese firms knowingly violates IP laws in the past, because they understand there is not enough resources to enforce them. Additionally, Chinese government has been very open about the plan to enforce IP laws gradually to the same standard as the global market. A good balance has…

> It's well-known that China is very serious about IPs. > Chinese government has been very open about the plan to enforce IP laws gradually to the same standard as the global market. IMHO, these two statements contradict themselves.

that doesn't mean it's not a good strategy - acquire IP for self, ignore IP of others until everything is in place.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by lrossi »

corbet wrote: post #102
lrossi wrote: post #8

Original post: https://lwn.net/Articles/839772/ Lines of code are not a good metric for the importance of the contributions. You can see that the top developer actually made a single 26k loc commit that just removed a driver.

I would love to find better metrics than changesets and lines of codes — I agree that both are awful ways of measuring actual software-development work. I have yet to find something better, though; suggestions welcome.

Thanks for replying!

In this case I think a lot of people are wondering what they changed. Would it be possible to extract that info from the paths modified, filtered with some handwritten rules to classify the changes? For example, did they commit driver code for their own hardware, or did they touch other areas of the kernel? How much of each?

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by dirtyid »

plumeria wrote: post #101
justicezyx wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's well-known that China is very serious about IPs. At least to people actually paying attention to Chinese domestic policies. A lot of Chinese firms knowingly violates IP laws in the past, because they understand there is not enough resources to enforce them. Additionally, Chinese government has been very open about the plan to enforce IP laws gradually to the same standard as the global market. A good balance has…

> It's well-known that China is very serious about IPs. > Chinese government has been very open about the plan to enforce IP laws gradually to the same standard as the global market. IMHO, these two statements contradict themselves.

IIRC in terms of patent fees: China is massive net importer: $6 in patent fees for every $1 they receive, US is opposite, massive net exporter. Hence Chinese drive to build / buy domestic patent portfolio and slowly implementing IP standards until they can play the same crooked IP extraction game.

Re: Huawei Tops Intel as Top Linux Kernel Contributor for 5.10

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Post by dirtyid »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #93
cosmodisk wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. The entire country sat quietly whilst the western companies poured billions upon billions into it. Fast forward 30-40 years and everyone is super surprised that once humble and kowtowing country showing a middle finger to the rest of the world and nobody can do anything about it. Huawei has been operating like this since its inception.

You can blame that on the colonialist mentality that prevailed in the MBAs of the rich western nations where they saw China as this obedient servant that will just build our stuff and always do what we tell them to do since we have the money and the kow-how and they'll never wise up and become a threat. I worked in the NL hardware business over a decade back and that was the exact mentality management there had in re…

Pretty much. Nortel Guangzhou had bamboo ceiling on (mainland) Chinese management roles in the late 90s even foreign nationals, i.e. (mainland) Chinese Canadians. Big surprise when entire engineering teams got poached by ZTE and Huawei. Pretty consistent complaints from other industries. Emphasis on mainland because it didn't apply to Taiwan / HK / SK / Singapore expats. I think institutional inertia and seniority played a big part, but didn't sit well with people being blocked.
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