Where are the police? Is the police force and now the national guard not controlled by the DC Mayor's office?
I don't understand how they weather 1000 protests a year in the capitol and weren't prepared for this.
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#112"Democracy is a system in which parties lose elections"
- Przeworski
In other words, the core concept of democracy isn't the elections or any of the other trappings, it's the fact that it's possible for one group to lose power, transition to another group and retain the possibility to transition back in a subsequent election to the original group.
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#113How was it so easy to breach the building ? I see some videos of people just smashing basic windows, I really would have expected it to be more secure.
These are supposed to be some of the most secure in the US??
National Guard request was denied apparently.
Anyone remember how many were deployed during BLM protests..
America is now one of 'those' countries. All it took was 4 years. Wow.
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#114Is there ANY credible evidence of fraud, anywhere? Or are people protesting solely because they trust Trump?
https://hereistheevidence.com/ presents some evidences, up to reader to decide if credible/substantial or not
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#115How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?
Ah, we've reached the self-awareness in the face of doom part of the Michael Crichton novel.
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#116This is stupid. At the end of the day, a lot of these clowns are going to be injured and/or in jail, and Joe Biden is still going to be president on January 20th.
EDIT - Just to be clear, I'm saying the rioters are stupid, not anything/anyone else.
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#117This is a failure of leadership by the republicans - plain and simple. I don't care if this comment is perceived as partisan, it's a statement of fact. If the republican leadership had unequivocally come out against the narrative that the election was stolen, this wouldn't be happening. Edit: Yes, it's true that the top leader and his acolytes have engineered this outcome, but the majority of the republican leadershi…
> If the republican leadership had unequivocally come out against the narrative that the election was stolen, this wouldn't be happening.
They all came out against Trump when this started in 2016. Was not even a speed bump.
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#118What do these protestors hope to accomplish?
They say that they believe an election was stolen (without evidence), and that they want the democratic election to be overturned (according to their signs).
There is a crap-ton of evidence of fraud, but it's not been proven or disproven it could have flipped the election because no one is being given a chance in court. Almost all of the cases that have been dismissed have been dismissed on procedural grounds - sued the wrong entity, someone else should have sued, waited too long/should have waited longer, etc. One IIRC was even dismissed because "even if this was true, it would not have flipped the election, so it's not worth our time".
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#120Boy do I wish there was a place to discuss politics in a dispassionate way. I find these events fascinating from a historical and sociological point of view. It really is history in the making.
HN is pretty good at this when it comes to other topics, when when it turns political, everyone pulls out their partisan membership card.