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Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

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Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#101

I feel like I'm out of touch with current western culture, I honestly feel like I'm becoming an old fart at the age of 30. Everything is becoming increasingly infantile. Everything has to be fun and cool. I'm wondering where is this trend coming from. Is this some sort of a social response to how terrible and bleak reality seems to be? Or maybe it's because we actually treat majority of people like little children. I…

A related development I find interesting is the increasing denial of accountability. More and more, people focus on the ways that things aren't their fault or focus on things that they can't change. It's to a point where IMO people are basically treating themselves and each other as children, with the tired old mantras that children often use: it's not my fault, they started it, everyone else is doing it too, etc. It…

I think the other side of the coin is that we're moving away from people hiding incompetence through bravado, scapegoating, and what gets neglected when people engage in the game of pretend called "we're all grown ups here". The fact is that people are on a lot of different levels of emotional maturity and function. Even the same individual at difference points of their life and in different contexts. Age only loosely correlates with real maturity, real ownership of responsibility, etc. It's kind of silly when we can plan for all sorts of failsafes and redundancy in architecture and software but neglect to do so with humans, who are always error prone.

Also, it is useful to talk about systemic problems that are much larger than what any individual can fix just by being extra diligent.

I see your point though, that something being nobody's fault can be just as damaging as spending an egregious amount of time trying to assign blame (the traditional way of things). My opinion is that responsibility, and being able to take some flak for when that ownership goes awry, should be conditioned like exercise. Taking none is like never exercising, and it's very unhealthy. Throwing 1000 pounds of weight on someone suddenly because of a pathological need for the group to have a scapegoat doesn't make that person better, though. It just crushes them and it's a net loss for the group. That weight and stress should be shared. We need to cultivate the real maturity to take and give some blame constructively, and recognize all extenuating factors, so that people neither get infantilized and helpless nor simply squashed because of a systemic problem that the group just doesn't want to address.

Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#103
post #31

When I talk IRL I don't use GIFs or stickers, and the only background is whatever is behind me. I like the idea of moving around to decide who you talk to; it is the premise behind jitsi-powered Work Adventure http://workadventu.re

I don't know if the spatial metaphor really brings anything. I think a few rooms, with proper tooling to signal activity and a way to preview (listen in before you decide to join, or better yet have it play a recent utterance from its beginning) would work wonders. Maybe the system could prompt participants to move to a separate room on sufficient activity, and remind participants to set a text subject once in a while during periods of activity.

Spatialization gives you little, as it's still impossible to listen to multiple conversations at once, and discovering the mapping of location-to-topic is a problem. If you're setting up specific locations for specific topics in advance, what I want to know is who is there and how active they are, not where on a 2D canvas the admin has chosen to position it.

Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#104
post #91
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the whole premise is "all your failures in life are because of racism and other privilege."

That wasn't peer-reviewed or even sourced

Let’s not let facts get in the way of some good old-fashioned racism shall we?

Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#105
So it's basically Discord channels, but I change channels by moving around an avatar? That's neat, but I'm not sure it's really "the antithesis of Zoom". I don't even think Zoom is the right product to compare against. Why should I use this over Discord?

Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#106
I was interested in building something like this when COVID-19 first hit. I think it's still a space with a lot of potential, but there are now a huge number of competitors. I made a spreadsheet and add to it each time I see one of these products come up on HN: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R5DXWtz4H7eIT5VbGYJE...

There are currently at least 18 projects operating in this space.

- The majority (maybe all?) of them are browser-based (probably because it's easy to throw something together with all the JS webrtc example projects out there).

- Most of them seem to be trying to sell to enterprises or conference organizers.

- I suspect that most of them are ghost towns.

- None of them that I've seen actually try to originate events- i.e. the only way you would use them is if you try to organize an event or are invited to one through a different channel.

- Most of them are top-down, although there are a few 3d ones.

I still think that there's a lot of potential for someone to come in and take over this whole space with a product more polished than is possible in the browser, and with a social element that can drive usage of the platform (similar to Clubhouse). I suspect that the winning team will come from the ranks of game developers, not webdevs who cracked open a webrtc tutorial one weekend. For now though, it's probably best to sit back and let the majority of the 18 existing teams burn through their funding.

Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#107

I feel like I'm out of touch with current western culture, I honestly feel like I'm becoming an old fart at the age of 30. Everything is becoming increasingly infantile. Everything has to be fun and cool. I'm wondering where is this trend coming from. Is this some sort of a social response to how terrible and bleak reality seems to be? Or maybe it's because we actually treat majority of people like little children. I…

I'm on the older end of those here on HN ... there's a specifically for our kind: https://gog.show/

Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#108

I feel like I'm out of touch with current western culture, I honestly feel like I'm becoming an old fart at the age of 30. Everything is becoming increasingly infantile. Everything has to be fun and cool. I'm wondering where is this trend coming from. Is this some sort of a social response to how terrible and bleak reality seems to be? Or maybe it's because we actually treat majority of people like little children. I…

Since when was "having fun", "enjoying things", and "being creative" infantile?

Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#109

I feel like I'm out of touch with current western culture, I honestly feel like I'm becoming an old fart at the age of 30. Everything is becoming increasingly infantile. Everything has to be fun and cool. I'm wondering where is this trend coming from. Is this some sort of a social response to how terrible and bleak reality seems to be? Or maybe it's because we actually treat majority of people like little children. I…

I don't know about that - I'm a little older than you, and I remember when the web was more like this. GeoCities and MySpace allowed tons of customization, and everybody made their own barf on a page to express themselves. Then sometime in the mid 2000s everything online became sanitized and corporate.

The web has always been a mish-mash of crazy hippie stuff alongside dry boring stuff. There was a lot of personalized personal webpages sure, but also search engines used to look dry and boring and emojis in chat were limited to what you could do with ASCII art (compared to the insane amount of animated sticker spammy-ness that a teen might use these days).

With that said, I do agree with GP with regards to things outside of the web: products have a lot more franchise placements (e.g. disney-themed shampoos), and school for my kids have a lot more of an artsy/hippie feel than I remember my dry seats-facing-forward education some 30 years ago. Gaming among adults is far more socially accepted than 30 years ago - you wouldn't even bat an eyelid at an old lady playing candy crush in the bus these days. Etc.

I suspect an increase in middle class disposable income might have something to do with this. Look, for example, at how culture progressed over the decades in Japan. Nowadays, you have grown adults who are into moe[0] stuff, along all sort of "infantile" subcultures (by western standards).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)

Re: Show HN: I built the antithesis of Zoom. Add GIFs, stickers, BGs. Talk like IRL

#110

I built a video calling app which is the antithesis of Zoom. It's called Reslash. You can play with everything - backgrounds, gifs, stickers. You can recreate a bar lounge, classroom, office, 80s party and more. It also has spatial audio - just move closer to talk to people, like you do IRL. Demo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zwXL7ZJra4 You can sign up here: https://reslash.co I would love to get your feedb…

I really like that you are working on something original and different. Wish you luck.

What is the tech stack behind the product? Do you use WebRTC? Something home-build.

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