Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

github.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 131 posts

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#91

Post by l1am0 »

vntok wrote: post #79
l1am0 wrote: post #62

I use Matomo for years now and it works quite reliably. (A few updates failed the automatic update, but nothing serious) Only thing that bothered me is that most Ad Blockers are blocking Matomo as well. I did build a little Script to circumvent that, you might find it handy as well: https://gumroad.com/l/matomo_circumvent_adblock I use it on my website. Check if your ad blocker is capable of blocking it: https://simo…

Unfortunately your script still calls a third party domain, which is trivial to block using a generic AdBlock/uBlock rule. Instead, you should host the matomo script (under a different filename of course) on your own domain. That way it won't be as easily blocked. I go as far as to send all the tracking parameters through a custom server script before they are proxied to GA and Matomo. That way, I can change the scri…

If someone decides to explicit block my Matomo tracking server I am fine with that.

I experimented with tracking on the same site and the overhead is not worth it for me. Central solution for all my projects works quite reliable

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#92

Post by aorth »

lightswitch05 wrote: post #70
l1am0 wrote: post #62

I use Matomo for years now and it works quite reliably. (A few updates failed the automatic update, but nothing serious) Only thing that bothered me is that most Ad Blockers are blocking Matomo as well. I did build a little Script to circumvent that, you might find it handy as well: https://gumroad.com/l/matomo_circumvent_adblock I use it on my website. Check if your ad blocker is capable of blocking it: https://simo…

Its pretty disgusting to track people against their consent, even more so to circumvent their protections against tracking. I added your domain to my blocklist: https://github.com/lightswitch05/hosts/commit/bb2cd77c9ec028...

It's your call really, but a website owner tracking you with their own software on their own Matomo instance is not the problem. This is essentially the same as monitoring website logs... that's not disgusting at all.

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#93

Post by ddevault »

XCSme wrote: post #87
ddevault wrote: post #53

Open source does not make it okay. Do not spy on people. It's just that simple.

So, you shouldn't be allowed to know the conversion rate on your page?

It's easy enough to run $nconversions / $nrequests without spying on anyone.

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#94

Post by nagbava »

lmkg wrote: post #76
nagbava wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is true that an opt-out system must be installed on the website (Matomo gives that piece of code) but - as noted on the github link you posted - that very is different from an opt-in system (which is the standard GDPR requirement).

GDPR does not require consent. If you use consent, then it must be freely-given, but can often use a different legal basis when processing personal data. The ePrivacy Directive requires consent for reading or writing from a terminal device. This includes anything with cookies, even if they're not personal data. While the ePD refers to GDPR for its definition of consent, it is a separate piece of legislation and many…

Sure, but when it comes to cookies, consent is almost always required on the GDPR basis (other legal basis are rarely working).

You're right to point to e-privacy, to which consent is central. But the latest draft of its new version states that (art.8): 1.The use of processing and storage capabilities of terminal equipment and the collection of information from end-users’ terminal equipment, including about its software and hardware, other than by the end-user concerned shall be prohibited, except on the following grounds: [...] (d)it is necessary for audience measuring, provided that such measurement is carried out by the provider of the information society service requested by the end-user or by a third party, or by third parties jointly,on behalf of theone or more providersof the information society service provided that conditions laid down in Article 28, or where applicable Article 26,of Regulation (EU) 2016/679 are met

So Matomo can still do without the user consent (from what I understand, the relation between GDPR and e-privacy is no easy business).

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#95

Post by l1am0 »

huhtenberg wrote: post #83
l1am0 wrote: post #62

I use Matomo for years now and it works quite reliably. (A few updates failed the automatic update, but nothing serious) Only thing that bothered me is that most Ad Blockers are blocking Matomo as well. I did build a little Script to circumvent that, you might find it handy as well: https://gumroad.com/l/matomo_circumvent_adblock I use it on my website. Check if your ad blocker is capable of blocking it: https://simo…

Unless I am missing something, that's trivial to block. Any tracker can be made to work around ad blockers by making callbacks to the site itself and having a small shim there that forwards these pingbacks to the actual tracking service. But even then they still can be blocked based on the request contents. PS. Here's how your website looks in Firefox - https://i.imgur.com/uFKEB4X.jpg . That's with uBlock off. No con…

Weird that you don't see any text. In FF on Linux it works as expected. What system are you on?

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#96

Post by huhtenberg »

l1am0 wrote: post #95
huhtenberg wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless I am missing something, that's trivial to block. Any tracker can be made to work around ad blockers by making callbacks to the site itself and having a small shim there that forwards these pingbacks to the actual tracking service. But even then they still can be blocked based on the request contents. PS. Here's how your website looks in Firefox - https://i.imgur.com/uFKEB4X.jpg . That's with uBlock off. No con…

Weird that you don't see any text. In FF on Linux it works as expected. What system are you on?

Windows

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#97

Post by AbdHicham »

codyogden wrote: post #31
deepstack wrote: post #30

Any one know a node alternative to GA? Matomo is great, but for something like GA, node would be best option for handling large amount of http requests.

I started using Umami (Node/Next) to replace GA on my major site (70k/30days). It provides the data I care about seeing, and nothing more. Public preview: https://analytics.kbg.rip Project: https://umami.is

That's also a really cool alternative.

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#98

Post by iamacyborg »

nagbava wrote: post #94
lmkg wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR does not require consent. If you use consent, then it must be freely-given, but can often use a different legal basis when processing personal data. The ePrivacy Directive requires consent for reading or writing from a terminal device. This includes anything with cookies, even if they're not personal data. While the ePD refers to GDPR for its definition of consent, it is a separate piece of legislation and many…

Sure, but when it comes to cookies, consent is almost always required on the GDPR basis (other legal basis are rarely working). You're right to point to e-privacy, to which consent is central. But the latest draft of its new version states that (art.8): 1.The use of processing and storage capabilities of terminal equipment and the collection of information from end-users’ terminal equipment, including about its softw…

> So Matomo can still do without the user consent (from what I understand, the relation between GDPR and e-privacy is no easy business).

It also depends on the jurisdiction. For example the ICO has been clear that using a cookie based analytics tool requires a GDPR level of consent, without exceptions.

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#99

Post by XCSme »

ddevault wrote: post #93
XCSme wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you shouldn't be allowed to know the conversion rate on your page?

It's easy enough to run $nconversions / $nrequests without spying on anyone.

But $nrequests is not accurate as it can be 10x or 100x more than the number of visitors, so your conversion rate will be 10x or 100x off.

Re: Matomo: Open-source analytics platform

#100

Post by XCSme »

sneak wrote: post #38

Does anyone know how to get it to show the full referer URL? I use a self hosted Matomo and it only shows the referer domain.

I don't think that's always possible as it's a browser security limitation. The referring domain can decide to pass on only the domain, not the full URL.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Re...

Post reply on HN