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Jim Keller moves to AI chip startup

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Re: Jim Keller moves to AI chip startup

#41

I often find it hard to believe that a single person can make much of a difference in such intricate problem domains as chip design but in his case the evidence is overwhelming. Also goes to show what a shit show Intel has become since even he was not able to right that ship. I think in the CPU space it will be all ARM and RISC ten years from now and since Intel never really managed to become a dominant player in any…

One argument is perhaps that bad management can be stifling and it can be hard to achieve good outcomes under bad management. The semiconductor space is perhaps difficult because you have very long lead times and the cost of each iteration is high: if you have different parts of the organisation pulling in different directions, you're unlikely to have a good outcome, and iterating to unify that direction is very difficult.

Re: Jim Keller moves to AI chip startup

#42
"Intel has just published a news release on its website stating that Jim Keller has resigned from the company, effective immediately, due to personal reasons.

"Intel’s press release today states that Jim Keller is leaving the position on June 11th ( 2020 ) due to personal reasons. However, he will remain with the company as a consultant for six months in order to assist with the transition." [1]

Exactly six months later he took a new job. Some may want to look back at their comment on the subject. [2] [3]

Still waiting for the Story between Jim and Gerard.[4]

[1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/15846/jim-keller-resigns-from...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23496083

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23493046

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23497336

Re: Jim Keller moves to AI chip startup

#44

I often find it hard to believe that a single person can make much of a difference in such intricate problem domains as chip design but in his case the evidence is overwhelming. Also goes to show what a shit show Intel has become since even he was not able to right that ship. I think in the CPU space it will be all ARM and RISC ten years from now and since Intel never really managed to become a dominant player in any…

Part of it may also be the situation the company is in, and it' mindset, when Keller is hired.

There's no arguing that Keller is a smart guy, but he doesn't design an entire CPU architecture himself. If you're desperate and say "Okay, we are hiring the smartest guy we can find to build our new CPU, and give everything he needs to make it happen", then perhaps you get the AMD64, Zen or the A4 and A5. If you try to just dump a smart guy into a team as just another engineer, maybe you get nothing, like Intel.

Perhaps AMD, who already knew him, just gave Keller everything he need to build a team that can deliver on a new architecture, even when he's no longer there. Same with Apple. Intel on the other hand may have been unwilling to grant Keller the same level of autonomy and control. Then it also makes sense that he would leave Intel, for personal reasons, those being: "I can't work here, they won't let me do my job".

Re: Jim Keller moves to AI chip startup

#47

I often find it hard to believe that a single person can make much of a difference in such intricate problem domains as chip design but in his case the evidence is overwhelming. Also goes to show what a shit show Intel has become since even he was not able to right that ship. I think in the CPU space it will be all ARM and RISC ten years from now and since Intel never really managed to become a dominant player in any…

>Also goes to show what a shit show Intel has become since even he was not able to right that ship.

I think we are already starting to see fruit of his work. Intel doesn't need Jim Keller for CPU uArch design. Intel has had their uArch roadmap ready, and they were the best in the Industry if it wasn't for the 10nm delay. They also have work in the pipeline all being held back by their process node.

Jim described it in one of his interview ( Sorry I spent 10 min but couldn't find the source, so I may have remembered it wrong ) about not having process node held back your chip design, where he has experience in doing so in AMD and Apple. Being flexible enough to back port your design should anything happen as Plan B. Where previously Intel was just keep waiting for the process guys to fix it. That in itself is a huge workflow changes. It is hard to imagine the amount of work required to push this through especially with all the internal politics at Intel.

And Intel is at least looking at TSMC / alternative paths for some of their product lineup now ( Gaming Focused Large- Die Size GPU ) . Whether that is decided or not is unclear. But at least we have Rocket Lake launching soon which is sort of a half baked Willow Cove ( Used in Tiger Lake ) ported back to 14nm on Desktop. And we have Sapphire Rapid as well as other product roadmap hinting at multiple node ( Shown in Investor meetings notes ). That is at least showing Intel has changed their Internal design to be flexible enough in case of another 10nm like fiasco. And I think Jim Keller has some credit in this transition.

That is of course, having flexible design still doesn't fix their problem if TSMC is 2 years ahead of Intel in leading edge node design, volume and cost. And as I have repeatedly stated, Intel's problem is not design, but their business Model. And It would not surprise me if TSMC have shipped more 5nm wafers last year ( 2020 ) than Intel's entire 10nm production history since 2017.

Just let that sink in for a bit.

Re: Jim Keller moves to AI chip startup

#48
post #46

It's a bit corny that Reddit and HN go over the top about this guy like he's the centre of the universe, just because he's the only player they know the name of and could point out in a photo.

They speak of him, as gamers did on forums back on the day about Carmack and Abrash.

Re: Jim Keller moves to AI chip startup

#50

Has anybody on HN worked with him and could say a little bit more about his individual contributions and management style?

You can have a sense of how it would be to work with him in this interview with Lex Fridman[1]. I'm also curious how it would be to work with him since it sounds like he is full of himself[3]. But he I believe he has the right for it since all what he has achieved[3]. The guy also read couple books a week[4] for last decades

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=3973s

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Keller_(engineer)

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=5040s

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