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Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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That's one way to look at it, but I think the deeper truth is just systems are pretty much always controlled by the powerful and benefit only them. Any new rules will be enforced as such. The HN thread discussing blue state concealed carry laws was very revealing; turns out those laws just lead to pay offs to police departments when some org needs permits. [1] Senators make millions on insider relief package info? Wh…

> the deeper truth is just systems are pretty much always controlled by the powerful The power of individuals with the right idea to change the world (often running circles around the 'powerful') is the foundation of the technology behind most people's jobs here. How do some people can work in the IT industry and promulgate the parent's fatalistic outlook? Internet Explorer would be the dominant browser, Windows the…

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I'm not leftist and I haven't observed any strong bias here. HN crowd is leftist only by US standards but then US is a country where most people think public health care is communism.

~42%-45% of the US population is in Medicaid, Medicare or other government healthcare solutions. It's very clear that most people in the US do not think socialized / public healthcare is tantamount to Communism. The US is left leaning compared to the majority of all nations. Besides that, the US is far more progressive than eg Europe in many respects (and that's ignoring parts of Europe still ruled by actual fascism…

Wow, uh, where do you get your news on Europe?

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I'm not leftist and I haven't observed any strong bias here. HN crowd is leftist only by US standards but then US is a country where most people think public health care is communism.

~42%-45% of the US population is in Medicaid, Medicare or other government healthcare solutions. It's very clear that most people in the US do not think socialized / public healthcare is tantamount to Communism. The US is left leaning compared to the majority of all nations. Besides that, the US is far more progressive than eg Europe in many respects (and that's ignoring parts of Europe still ruled by actual fascism…

> The US is left leaning compared to the majority of all nations.

I stopped reading after this

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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~42%-45% of the US population is in Medicaid, Medicare or other government healthcare solutions. It's very clear that most people in the US do not think socialized / public healthcare is tantamount to Communism. The US is left leaning compared to the majority of all nations. Besides that, the US is far more progressive than eg Europe in many respects (and that's ignoring parts of Europe still ruled by actual fascism…

Wow, uh, where do you get your news on Europe?

This is a good evidence for what I refer to as the rise of redditism on HN (US-biased views pretty much detached from reality, but constituting the majority of up/down-votes). This is further supported by the dynamics of up/down votes. You will see GP comment up-voted when the US wakes up.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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I worked at Songkick. The business was not sustainable, there was no revenue stream in sight before the Crowdsurge merger. Crowdsurge effectively acquired us when they merged as Songkick had run out of funding, with no potential buyers or investors. Crowdsurge was not sustainable either, they lost money on every ticket sold, but mostly because TM would only allow 10% of any allocation at any TM venue. Crowdsurge were…

I worked at SK too, leaving to pursue my studies. I always wondered what happened in the end, so thanks. I assumed the crew at least got something from the buyout - damn I'm really sorry for them that they didn't.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Wait, SongKick went out of business? What the hell is the app installed on my phone, then?

Ticketmaster bought them in 2018 as the first part of the settlement.

The bit that you can still see (ie. mobile app, website) is owned by Warner now actually, acquired by them in July 2017.

The bit that Ticketmaster/LN 'acquired' in 2018 was, by then, just a vehicle for the lawsuit related to this hack/other anti-competitive/monopolistic behaviour.

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Compare this slap on the wrist to Aaron Swartz: Federal prosecutors later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,[15] carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

Aaron never received any penalty at all. The government offered him 6 months in jail, with the opportunity to argue for further leniency. There’s a very good chance that he would’ve walked away with essentially nothing.

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Compare this slap on the wrist to Aaron Swartz: Federal prosecutors later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,[15] carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

It is news like this that makes me want to go back to puppy videos on YouTube. In what universe 35 years in prison can be justified for Aaron’s alleged crime?

Not in this universe anyway, nothing close to 35 years was ever on the table. To suggest otherwise is deliberate disinformation.

The prosecutors had offered Aaron 6 months, he could’ve got less.

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There's absolutely 0 chance he ever would have done anywhere near the statutory maximum. Statutory maximum != sentencing guidelines.

Yes. If you pistol whip a clerk you would get 10. If you get caught hacking you will get 5 in federal (35ish year max). The guy pistol whipping will get parole in 5. Same same.

Most federal CFAA penalties have been far lower than 5 years.

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While superficially a good idea, it would probably punish shareholders more than the actual perpetrators and would most likely lead to a far lower performing company, so a weaker economy. How many state run companies do you know are performing great? Tesla may do any number of shady or illegal things but without Musk and his vested interest in the company it would probably be a footnote in some corporate obituary.

The shareholders are the right people to hold accountable though. Otherwise you incentivize hiring fall guys to do a crime and go to prison, while the shareholders profit off of their crimes

Because there are many investors that have no input in day to day operations or simply had no influence or knowledge of the particular offenses. If the state takes over they will certainly have to take a huge loss.

Take your bank as an example. You gave them the money they used to commit whatever illegality and you profited from it. Now imagine the state takes over and only pays you a fraction of your deposits.

Worse yet, it incentivizes the shareholders to try to keep things hidden where today they would likely sue the company or CEO.

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