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Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by pjmlp »

danShumway wrote: post #210
folkrav wrote: post #171

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> Is that unreasonable? Running another OS on a device with physical hardware switches is a privilege right now, so it costs more. There are essentially two companies doing this, and neither of them are even at the point where they can completely honestly say their products are out of beta. The Librem is expensive in no small part because its feature list is fringe, and even ignoring the inherent hardware challenges…

The ultimate goal of Purism is to expand the market, but (opinion me) when I look at Purism's products in general I don't see them ever themselves moving out of niche categories. If you buy a Purism laptop today, you'll already pay a premium over companies like Dell. I suspect that Purism is happy to see companies like Pine existing, and I know that they want Linux smartphones in general to be a broader market, I don…

Depends on the point of view.

Asus 1215B released in 2011 with AMD Radeon HD 6250.

Windows and original proprietary AMD drivers, OpenGL 4.1 and DirectX 11

Open source AMD driver replacement, OpenGL 3.3

So in 9 years no one bothered to match the previous proprietary AMD drivers capabilities, while Asus keeps the Windows ones available in the latest Windows versions.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by pjmlp »

wvenable wrote: post #309
pjmlp wrote: post #307

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Apparently the 10 years I spent programming across 8 bit and 16 bit platforms, while UNIX was closed at university campus and deep pocket companies, didn't had any programmer culture. Adroid is productive enough for me to have some coding session while having a coffee or a short train trip. As of the existing solutions being lacking, don't wait for Google, produce it, and sell it on the store. Business opportunity, a…

> some coding session What does that even mean? > Apparently the 10 years I spent programming across 8 bit and 16 bit platforms At the time you never touched a command line or a compiler? You keep replying to but you haven't gotten anywhere near a point. > As of the existing solutions being lacking, don't wait for Google, produce it, and sell it on the store. You can't even build it -- the store is now restrictive en…

Naturally I touched a compiler, IDEs were already a thing, just like AIDE is an option on Android.

And command lines that were 100% unrelated to UNIX, just like some that exist today on Android, written in Java/Kotlin.

A command line doesn't need to be yet another bash clone.

WSL on Windows is Microsoft's marketing to FOSS developers that rather give money to Apple to build their beautiful GNU/Linux apps instead of supporting Linux OEMs, and required to have Docker, the 2020 NoSQL.

Turbo Pascal for Android is called Kotlin.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by fsflover »

UncleMeat wrote: post #168
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #80

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>But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive security tradeoff for something that 99% of apps don't need to do. It also completely eliminates general purpose computing. >One solution might be a special permission to be allowed to do that, but it seems unlikely a user could really make an informed decision. I think the way "Developer Mode" on Android is implemented is pretty…

> It also completely eliminates general purpose computing. The number of people who want general purpose computing on phones is vanishingly small. And since malware is often indistinguishable from general purpose computing, it can be a reasonable product choice.

"The number of people who want free speech is vanishingly small. And since criticism of government is indistinguishable from hate speech, it can be reasonable to forbid everything potentially dangerous."

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by lxgr »

bitwize wrote: post #240
lxgr wrote: post #89

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By the way, UserLAnd [1] does something very similar on Android (and is accordingly not affected by these changes). [1] https://github.com/CypherpunkArmory/UserLAnd

Funny, all the binaries in my UserLAnd are aarch64, not x86. I'm not sure how they do it -- faking syscalls? -- but recently, changes in Android filesystem access policies made it impossible to move files between UserLAnd and the outside Android environment.

Sorry, my comment was a bit misleading – it doesn't seem to use emulation, only syscall translation of some kind. iSH does both.

For that matter, I'm actually not aware why UserLAnd's approach is compliant with the minimum API level required for the Play store but Termux isn't. I always thought the point of contention was exec()'ing executables not delivered through the store, which both of them can clearly do.

Update: It seems like UserLAnd just hasn't been updated in a while, and the API level requirement is apparently not enforced for existing apps in the store.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by MrDresden »

zinekeller wrote: post #261
MrDresden wrote: post #256

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Well yes, I would consider any Android device family other than the Pixel / Nokia line a security hazard, with or without any bitcoins on it. Comparing a rushed Q4 market Samsung phone to an iPhone is simply comparing a brick and an orange. There are many problems with Android, but that the price for a zero day exploit on Android has become more valuable than one for iOS as far as 2019 [0] should tell you something a…

> Android device family other than the Pixel / Nokia line a security hazard As someone who uses a HMD (Nokia) phone, please do not buy the models with Mediatek SoC in it when you are absolutely concerned with security. Apparently Mediatek is the one building the kernel of the device and not even HMD has knowledge on what modifications have been made (for example is DuraSpeed, which was an aggressive battery saver tha…

Genuinly interested in any more detail you have on this, any articles you know of?

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by zinekeller »

jedimastert wrote: post #39
nanna wrote: post #6

> Everyone should move to F-Droid version, if possible Instructions from the Termux wiki here: https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Installing_from_F-Droid

That will only delay the issue until Q, right?

Nope. To be precise, it will be only a issue if Android compatibility was dropped from applications compiled targeting Pie. Even Gingerbread apps can still run on Q so unless 12 has drastically changed things, it wouldn't be a problem.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by fsflover »

user-the-name wrote: post #216
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #80

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>But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive security tradeoff for something that 99% of apps don't need to do. It also completely eliminates general purpose computing. >One solution might be a special permission to be allowed to do that, but it seems unlikely a user could really make an informed decision. I think the way "Developer Mode" on Android is implemented is pretty…

General purpose computing is not secure, and can most likely never be made secure.

"Freedom and democracy are not safe and can most likely never be made safe. Let's have a totalitarian state."

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Post by rubatuga »

user-the-name wrote: post #216
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #80

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>But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive security tradeoff for something that 99% of apps don't need to do. It also completely eliminates general purpose computing. >One solution might be a special permission to be allowed to do that, but it seems unlikely a user could really make an informed decision. I think the way "Developer Mode" on Android is implemented is pretty…

General purpose computing is not secure, and can most likely never be made secure.

It's called a sandbox.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by user-the-name »

anderspitman wrote: post #285
user-the-name wrote: post #219

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The PC ecosystem is laughably insecure.

Pretty sure GP was including Linux in "PC", and I'd trust the software repository maintainers of a typical distro way more than I trust Appoogle.

I was too. Linux is one of the least secure popular systems today.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by fsflover »

anderspitman wrote: post #288
fsflover wrote: post #51

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If you prefer stability over feature set on desktop, choose Debian stable. It's rock-solid. > I remember reading an article full of workarounds to get a dialer app to work on some project phone. Currently, phone calls and sms work fine on both Librem 5 and Pinephone. The development rate is amazing. Only the good battery life is lacking yet, but it's improving every month.

Your experience is basically the exact opposite of what's described here[0]. I bring this up as an optimistic PinePhone owner. I just don't think it's there yet. [0]: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=11754

This thread is quite long and started many months ago. It got much better since then. See later replies. Also, I agree that some OS may not be very stable, but Mobian works pretty much flawless for me for typical tasks.
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