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Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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I predicted in October of 2018 [1], that in 3 years Amazon will start flying freight directly from China to US fulfillment centers and cut out the middlemen (FBA sellers). Since then Amazon has been on-boarding sellers in China at a rapid pace. - [1] https://www.scaleleap.com/zine/just-in-time-air/

all the 3rd party dropshippers on amazon gonna get wiped out

on the other hand,that means amazon will be competing directly with Aliexpress ,and might trigger some kind of CCP response

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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I remember watching a video from Wendover Production talking about the decline of 747 and A380s mainly due to a lack of guaranteed passengers to fill the plane routes in both directions. Exceptions being some airlines which are able to operate hub and spoke models and where fuel is cheap like the middle east airlines. Wouldn't these types of planes be more suitable for a role in logistics which can benefit the greate…

Cargo companies seem to have older fleets and the 767s are being displaced from passenger service and have a cargo conversation option. The a380 doesn't have a cargo conversation option as far as I've seen. Plenty of old 747s are in service for cargo flights. Kalitta air has a bunch of older 747s and Atlas has a sizable fleet including some 8Fs.

> cargo conversation

I guess you mean "cargo conversion"?

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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Right, because only those why fly them can possibly know how often they fall from the sky?

You can not crash and still be shitty. Your ticket purchasing process can be an immensely frustrating experience, dodging a horde of dark patterns coming at you from every direction. Your check-in process may be a horrible user trap (you must check-in from home, and print a boarding pass there. Said check-in closes 4 hours before takeoff, and there's a 40 Eur fee if you do it at the airport) which the EU had to expli…

You must not have a smartphone if you need to print your boarding pass. It's fairly painless process both check-in & boarding and it's a cost-savings airline so there is no surprise that you're not getting mollycoddled through the airport.

Their cabin comfort, I will admit, leaves a lot to be desire. One gets what one pays for in that respect.

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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Kinda surprised they're not buying Boeing 737 MAX for cargo. You'd imagine there would be some good deals to be had

Amazon buys retired planes from other airlines - like [1] built in 1991, flown by Quantas then Westjet, now used by Amazon; or [2] built in 1994, flown by Sobelair, then Vietnam Airlines then Air Europa then Kenya Airways then Nordwind Airlines then Atlas Air, now used by Amazon.

The 737 MAX might be cheap, but it's not 25-30 year old plane cheap.

[1] https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-767-300-n503az... [2] https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-767-300-n1997a...

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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Right now Ryanair has almost 200 737-800MAX on order, significant amount of these were added during MAX grounding as the prices went down a lot. Bold looking move again, but still shitiest airliner out there

Ryan are terrible and I do not fly with them because of it, but they are far from the worst. Chinese budget airlines like Spring Air have the hostesses talking through a megaphone trying to sell you shit for the entire flight. When the cockpit door opens at the destination, you can smell the cigarette smoke.

You are not Ryanair's customer. I don't think that bothers them.

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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You can not crash and still be shitty. Your ticket purchasing process can be an immensely frustrating experience, dodging a horde of dark patterns coming at you from every direction. Your check-in process may be a horrible user trap (you must check-in from home, and print a boarding pass there. Said check-in closes 4 hours before takeoff, and there's a 40 Eur fee if you do it at the airport) which the EU had to expli…

You must not have a smartphone if you need to print your boarding pass. It's fairly painless process both check-in & boarding and it's a cost-savings airline so there is no surprise that you're not getting mollycoddled through the airport. Their cabin comfort, I will admit, leaves a lot to be desire. One gets what one pays for in that respect.

I do have a smartphone. Their web based check-in used to close 3 or 4 hours before flight. By that time, your only option was a hefty fee at the airport.

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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Amazon's air safety record is less than stellar. Prime Air had a fatal 767 incident in early 2019. https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/AA... In the accident flight, the first officer (FO) inadvertently activated the "go around" mode during landing, then, in surprise, pushed the airplane into the ground. > According to one check airman at [FO's previous airline], the FO could explain things well…

She said that when the FO did not know what to do, he became extremely anxious and would start pushing a lot of buttons without thinking about what he was pushing, just to be doing something. You'd think that the simulator would be able to detect inappropriate button pushes in a given situation, and produce a report stating that it had happened more than times during an exercise. That should flag the pilot for furthe…

That isn't how aircraft simulators work. They simulate the aircraft, not the exact expected behavior.

For example, if an electrical system warning presents itself the pilot might first turn off all in flight entertainment. This won't necessarily solve the problem, but the plane can fly fine without in flight entertainment.

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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She said that when the FO did not know what to do, he became extremely anxious and would start pushing a lot of buttons without thinking about what he was pushing, just to be doing something. You'd think that the simulator would be able to detect inappropriate button pushes in a given situation, and produce a report stating that it had happened more than times during an exercise. That should flag the pilot for furthe…

That isn't how aircraft simulators work. They simulate the aircraft, not the exact expected behavior. For example, if an electrical system warning presents itself the pilot might first turn off all in flight entertainment. This won't necessarily solve the problem, but the plane can fly fine without in flight entertainment.

They presumably record the behaviour of the person flying the simulator though during the simulated emergency (or any situation). What I'm suggesting is that a report is generated from recorded data to show that the pilot didn't do what was necessarily expected - turning off the in-flight entertainment is an example which might be judged an odd but innocuous action, but turning off the engines, or hammering 50 buttons in the space of a minute, or something, would indicate behaviour that is well outside of the expected parameters. That should be flagged.

If the other flight crew in the simulator at the same time can tell that the pilot was behaving erratically then the simulator reporting software should be able to tell as well.

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