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US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many places there aren't non-covered services on offer. And where there are, a fee schedule is published, publicly, in advance.

> And where there are, a fee schedule is published, publicly, in advance. So you're saying the patient is responsible for the payment when the service is not covered...

There's a bit more nuance to it than that.

1. What services are medically necessary that you think aren't covered by the health service in another country? You'd likely be hard pressed to find any in the first place. I think that's an important aspect.

2. But say you had non-medically-necessary surgery, that isn't somehow covered by the health system. In that case...

a. The prices are actually listed ahead of time.

b. Who is owed the money may vary: it's not necessarily the service provider who may be owed, it could be the health system.

But yeah, in case 2, the patient is ultimately responsible, though my point is in most countries case (2) either doesn't exist or is extremely limited, or limited only to non-medically-necesary procedures.

> I.e., actual insurance.

Medical insurance isn't insurance. Insurance is something you get to cover you in the event of an unexpected cost. Humans will get sick, they will get cancer, they will get heart attacks and they will die. Something that pays for that isn't insurance, it's more of a structured payment plan. Your house probably won't burn down. You almost certainly, if all goes well, will die of cancer.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

#42
The only real thing this story presents is a reminder of how fucked up the US healthcare system is.

It's barbaric, backwards and uncivil that medical debt even exists. The US government really needs to get over its slavish devotion to capitalism and implement a single-payer healthcare system that is free at the point of use for all.

The hundreds of billions of dollars they dish out each year on killing people would be much better put to use in healing people.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And even if you can contest the denial, it can take days to months to get it back, meanwhile you’re shouldered with the burden of paying full price for your treatment with the _hope_ that they’ll reimburse you later. My fiancée has cancer, and we regularly joke that dealing with insurance companies is worse than the actual stage 3 cancer she has. They constantly deny her coverage for medications she’s been on for yea…

It’s intentional. They save billions using this practice because some people don’t have the time, knowledge or resources to dispute.

Are there services that will handle this nonsense for you?

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And even if you can contest the denial, it can take days to months to get it back, meanwhile you’re shouldered with the burden of paying full price for your treatment with the _hope_ that they’ll reimburse you later. My fiancée has cancer, and we regularly joke that dealing with insurance companies is worse than the actual stage 3 cancer she has. They constantly deny her coverage for medications she’s been on for yea…

It's inevitable that medical care in some way is tied to personal wealth. Some treatments are so expensive and/or niche that public programs likely wouldn't cover them. Such treatments will probably always exist. (And if they didn't, then that could he a problem by itself.) But at least basic modern healthcare (things that existed ~20 years ago) should be provided as (mostly) free to the patient. We need people to no…

> Some treatments are so expensive and/or niche that public programs likely wouldn't cover them.

I have co-worker with a very unique disease with a very niche and very expensive treatment and here in Canada it's free. The whole point of public health care is that the cost is spread among everyone -- the young, the healthy, the old, the very sick.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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post #16

This is a prime example of a feel good story that is papering over systemic problems. We're meant to read this and think this doctor is a good person (and they are, at least for this act) rather than, "how is it possible there was this much medical debt for cancer treatment to forgive?" Yes, debt forgiveness is great and something we can all do as mutual aid, but we also need to acknowledge that the deeply flawed ide…

This ^

It's a depressing story, anyone who thinks this is a positive story is ignoring the whole context.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

#48
A good question would be what can be done to fix healthcare in the US?

My understanding is that most voters don't support universal healthcare. IIRC even Obamacare was labeled as controversial. Current model costs way more, the model is clearly broken, why there is no pressure to fix it?

ps. I don't want to get political or anything by mentioning Obamacare. I'm genuinely curious because the problems of the current healthcare system are very well known and discussed for at least 20 years.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't correct in the UK under NHS. There's a set amount NHS is willing to pay for drugs and treatment, and beyond that, it's refused altogether. You'd have to go elsewhere and on your own dime for expensive treatments. Here's a link from the BBC I quickly found but it's widely documented: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-28983924

The QALY metric they mention is exactly what I had in mind, actually, very cool. Wealth won't get you better care, or faster care, or different in the NHS. That's the point I was making, and your article supports that position. > "You'd have to go elsewhere and on your own dime for expensive treatments." [In a single payer system there's nowhere else to go.] (retracted)

The majority of single payer systems don't outlaw private care. There are private hospitals in the UK for example.

Single payer is about removing insurance companies from the process (saving money), standardising care (saving money, improving outcomes), collective bargaining for drugs (saving money), providing a base level of care to all (saving money and improving QOL). But it doesn't usually forbid spending money on private care.

As a result single payer results in similar outcomes for vastly less public money, and almost zero private money spent on healthcare.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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post #46

Sure this is mostly PR not just for doctor but also for the collection agency. But the outcome was positive. Everyone wins.

What about the people who cannot pay their medical bills? Or who cannot get medical care due to the cost? They're winning too?
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