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What I Use Instead of Google

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Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face. OSM would be a better solution. If only an email service as good as Gmail existed anywhere on this planet :(

> If only an email service as good as Gmail existed anywhere on this planet

Office 365, which is Microsoft Exchange under the hood?

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Office 365 (or Microsoft 365 or whatever they want to call it today) is also good value. ~$5/month gives you more or less the same as Google where it comes to email/calendar and 1TB of OneDrive cloud storage. It can go even cheaper at ~$2/month for just basic email (on the "Kiosk" plan) if you don't need cloud storage and just need hosted e-mail. Regarding your counterpoint, I disagree. It's not about ProtonMail clai…

> it's just that their business model is to be selling hosted e-mail services Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Another counterpoint to my original post is - you can call someone at ProtonMail, can't do that with Google.

> Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts?

Yes. If you read the terms when you sign up to pay them money for GSuite, it says that your data in not used for advertising, targeting, or any other analytics. Basically the minimum terms for a large organization to be willing to entrust their internal data to Google.

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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This is a business opportunity to provide services at a minimal cost for people. Say 1$ per month per service. Email - 1$ Calendar - 1$ Document Collab - 1$ Each addon a calculated minimalist approach to each. I still recall what gmail was when it was invite only back in the early aughts. I would still utilize that gmail client. I do NOT need gmail as it is today. And I would certainly pay 1$ per month for that servi…

Yeah, these customers who care enough about this stuff will also drop you if you make the slightest mistake. And with $3/user/mo you don't have much margin.

You'll get wrecked. But there's good business in it if I'm wrong. So I wish you good luck.

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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Google is such an insane value. $5 you get GSuite, auth, drive, chat, meet, and a bunch of things. Folks that are privacy concious are equally deluded. It's marketing and you're falling for it. ProtonMail doesn't have stellar record for privacy (or any Swiss company in general). There has been several discussions about this on HN, and otherwise where many have compared email services and rated their privacy claims. F…

What's so wrong with FastMail?

Some info here: https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-rec...

There was another highly voted post on HN that compared all services (except Migadu) just last month, I can't find it.

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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I've been looking for something like sync.com but free and opensource. Does such a thing exist? I'm planning on setting up my own nextcloud server, and they also have their own file manager system (Nextcloud Files), which is great for keeping files in sync across devices. And although it's nice to edit a text file that's stored on a cloud server from any of your devices, I want to be able to use more powerful desktop…

If you're just looking for personal sync (as opposed to collaboration), Syncthing [1] is a common recommendation, though personally I've had better luck with Unison [2]. [1] https://syncthing.net [2] https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

Thanks, I already use syncthing for some stuff, and it's great.

However I should clarify: One of the reasons I want to move my data to a cloud server is that I am running out of space for more hard drives on my PC.

So syncthing will work for editing stuff on my local and syncing the changes with my cloud server. But I don't want to store all my data on cloud _and_ on my local PC. I want something where it is usually stored on the cloud server, but where I can bulk edit/organize the data selectively on my local machine.

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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The thing this article doesn't cover is that while you can (and imo should) make all these changes, Google will still track much of what you do online.

The internet is rotten with linked media, amp pages, blogs, and ads hosted on Google servers.

If you want off Google, you should use something like Pi-hole to lessen that. Since it's DNS level only, I imagine even that won't make you invisible to Google.

This was a great read, but Google has a million other ways to collect data about you, against your will. That deserves a mention.

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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Google is such an insane value. $5 you get GSuite, auth, drive, chat, meet, and a bunch of things. Folks that are privacy concious are equally deluded. It's marketing and you're falling for it. ProtonMail doesn't have stellar record for privacy (or any Swiss company in general). There has been several discussions about this on HN, and otherwise where many have compared email services and rated their privacy claims. F…

What's so wrong with FastMail?

They're presumably concerned about FastMail being in/from Australia.

The thing is, if you're concerned about a state agency, you have bigger issues. If all you're after is "I don't want to give Google my money", FastMail is pretty good - and to boot they're one of the few with a still working push notification certificate for Mac Mail.app users, I believe.

Email is a lost cause. Just choose the one that sucks the least, and don't do important things on it.

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Office 365 (or Microsoft 365 or whatever they want to call it today) is also good value. ~$5/month gives you more or less the same as Google where it comes to email/calendar and 1TB of OneDrive cloud storage. It can go even cheaper at ~$2/month for just basic email (on the "Kiosk" plan) if you don't need cloud storage and just need hosted e-mail. Regarding your counterpoint, I disagree. It's not about ProtonMail clai…

> it's just that their business model is to be selling hosted e-mail services Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Another counterpoint to my original post is - you can call someone at ProtonMail, can't do that with Google.

> Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts?

Officially, I'm sure they claim that G-Suite data is not used for any advertising purposes. However, just like I wouldn't trust an alcoholic with guarding a warehouse full of booze, I wouldn't trust this promise especially considering they intentionally violate the GDPR with a misleading, obnoxious and non-compliant consent form for EU visitors.

Furthermore, even if we assume G-Suite data itself is not used, what about general data collected by Google services? For example, a lot of their properties have Google Analytics included - does being logged in a G-Suite account automatically opt you out? What about YouTube (when logging into a G-Suite account you briefly get a redirect to accounts.youtube.com presumably to set a session cookie)? Etc. Given that Google is an advertising company, I can see it being easy for them to collect data they shouldn't, even because of an oversight (such as forgetting a "if account.is_g_suite" check, or legacy code predating G-Suite) as opposed to any malicious intent.

Not using Google means you don't have to interact with Google at all unless you explicitly want to and aren't exposed to any of the aforementioned risks.

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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post #40

Google is such an insane value. $5 you get GSuite, auth, drive, chat, meet, and a bunch of things. Folks that are privacy concious are equally deluded. It's marketing and you're falling for it. ProtonMail doesn't have stellar record for privacy (or any Swiss company in general). There has been several discussions about this on HN, and otherwise where many have compared email services and rated their privacy claims. F…

Or people are just sick of being shown ads on everything Google. Sure $5 you get X, Y, Z but you also get 000's of ads pumped at you constantly. Even though you pay for that access you are pretty much opening up all of your inboxes etc for crawlers to scan for your likes, dislikes etc.

GSuite subscription excludes you from most of it, to be fair.

Re: What I Use Instead of Google

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I prefer using the best technology over endless virtue signaling.

Research prototypes are usually very haphazard and have a ton of rough edges. But this is how you try making something new to eventually work, and maybe even become the polished "best available".

These articles are not about supporting a new or better product. It's always around virtue signaling because google = bad... she says it right there in the second paragraph.
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