Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

Post by Uhhrrr » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 4:34 AM UTC

SulfurHexaFluri wrote: post #170

nathanyz wrote: post #155

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It is one of the great imbalances in the justice system where technically corporations are people, but criminally don't face anywhere near the same levels of punishment.

IMO everyone related to a corporate crime should be responsible. If a company dumps toxic waste in to a river, the person who pressed the dump button, the person who told them to and any management that signed off on the idea should all be personally as responsible as if I just took a bucket and walked down to the local river. Perhaps some exceptions for people who could not be expected to understand the law, for exa…

Post by SN76477 » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 4:39 AM UTC

Nacdor wrote: post #45

> Ticketmaster has agreed to pay a $10 million criminal fine Live Nation is worth $16 Billion. This is like a person with a $100k net worth having to pay a $62 fine, basically an expensive parking ticket. They might as well tell them to write "I will not hack my competitors" on the blackboard 100 times.

Post by Spivak » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 4:52 AM UTC

oauea wrote: post #245

Spivak wrote: post #187

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Still not a great system unfortunately. Time based punishments still disproportionately punish the poor who have less of it. Suffering based punishments hurt everyone equally, they don’t waste a person’s time they could be contributing something positive to the world and can be scaled to fit the crime. One hell of a deterrent too.

Wait, are you advocating torture?

Post by rectang » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 4:55 AM UTC

gameman144 wrote: post #250

SulfurHexaFluri wrote: post #170

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IMO everyone related to a corporate crime should be responsible. If a company dumps toxic waste in to a river, the person who pressed the dump button, the person who told them to and any management that signed off on the idea should all be personally as responsible as if I just took a bucket and walked down to the local river. Perhaps some exceptions for people who could not be expected to understand the law, for exa…

I like the concept of this, but it seems like it'd be tough to validate that something was actually illegal from the individual actor's level. For instance, if management made clear that the hack here was illegal, the individual person doing the typing is just as culpable. It seems like it'd be very easy to mask that from above, however (e.g. telling a junior developer that there was a contract with Songkick and they…

Post by moosebear847 » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 5:42 AM UTC

rectang wrote: post #222

bdowling wrote: post #218

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> ... such criminal corporations enjoy an advantage over law-abiding corporations. There is no advantage to criminality. It is a general rule of law that no one should be able to profit from his crimes. That rule applies to corporations as well as individuals and there are many ways to hold corporations and their managers and employees accountable (civil and criminal liability are two of them). My point was that pass…

> There is no advantage to criminality. Of course there is. That's why YCombinator prefers "naughty" companies that break rules but get away with it. http://www.paulgraham.com/founders.html > " Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about obse…