Time to switch to GNU/Linux phones if you want to own your device.
Are there actually any phones for "normal" Linux users? I've used GNU/Linux as my desktop OS for nearly a decade: Fedora for years, then openSUSE, then Pop!_OS for the past couple of years. These distros seem to have provided a good, current, stable out-of-the box experience (Out-of-the-Box + RPM Fusion and Packman for the former two.) I just don't enjoy constantly fixing issues on my personal systems, in fact, after…
Termux no longer updated on Google Play
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#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not really the same thing though. Those are just different caches of RAM. There's nothing really special about them.
It's exactly Harvard. Instructions can only be loaded from the I cache, and data operands from the D cache. If you JIT something you have to flush the relevant D cache entries and invalidate the relevant I cache and then it will get reloaded.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_architecture
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Harvard_architectur...
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#293TL;DR: Android is trying to enforce all data being either writable, or executable, never both. iOS already does this. There are big security benefits (it becomes much harder to exploit an app). A disadvantage is it becomes much harder to make things like terminal emulators and things that want to download random code and run it. But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive se…
> But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive security tradeoff for something that 99% of apps don't need to do. Yet oddly, I as the user who paid $550 for my device would like to do that. I understand wanting to put a warning on it, but otherwise my device can kindly screw off and do what I've told it to do, or it will be taking a one way ride out the nearest window. The de…
Or not install the OS update that will enforce this.
Or install an old version of the app, e.g. from fdroid.
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I think it's safe to say Android is more "the device serves me" than iOS, but even now it's pretty far from actually achieving that. Maybe install a different OS that actually has that goal?
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#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It also completely eliminates general purpose computing. The number of people who want general purpose computing on phones is vanishingly small. And since malware is often indistinguishable from general purpose computing, it can be a reasonable product choice.
Not if you want developers to use your product.
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, since January 1st, 2020 Termux team dropped[0] support for Android 5.x/6.x , so actually in F-Droid repo it now requires minimum Android 7.x : > Support for Android 5.x.x - 6.x.x is dropped forever. Time to upgrade your devices or learn how to backport git changes. [1] And this part from Termux devs reply is especially cynical: > ... Time to upgrade your devices... [1] It looks like they has a contract with de…
Why would you expect them to continue supporting a 5 year old OS version?
Note that i do not expect someone to do free work for me, i just do not consider a 5 year old device "old" enough to be weird for it to be supported - especially when it works just fine.
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#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, since January 1st, 2020 Termux team dropped[0] support for Android 5.x/6.x , so actually in F-Droid repo it now requires minimum Android 7.x : > Support for Android 5.x.x - 6.x.x is dropped forever. Time to upgrade your devices or learn how to backport git changes. [1] And this part from Termux devs reply is especially cynical: > ... Time to upgrade your devices... [1] It looks like they has a contract with de…
I think 5 years of support is reasonable.
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#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
General purpose computing is one possible safeguard, it also has pretty big and clear downsides for many consumers and isn't obviously the right choice for most. And again, the proof is in the pudding. If closed-down markets degrade and become awful over time, the market will eventually reflect and account for that in the future. Long-term consequences eventually materialize into immediate consequences after all. In…
> the market will eventually reflect and account for that in the future. Which won't help unless we're willing to break apart duopolies and enforce government antitrust. The point I'm making is that when you get rid of consumers' ability to solve their own problems, they lose the ability to solve their own problems. They don't magically get that ability back when the market starts being terrible. Take a look at Amazo…
Because almost no one actually cares that you can't port your library to any other devices, Amazon's DRM is well known by now and they certainly don't mislead customers into thinking their books are DRM-free nor do they advertise library portability as a feature. The mechanism by which consumers "get that ability back" is by buying DRM free books if they're sick of DRM, but that hasn't and doesn't happen for most consumers even though they're completely free to do so.
Most people are content with Amazon DRM, and when they aren't, any company that sells DRM-free books will make a killing. But no one makes a lot of money from DRM-free books because there is no widespread demand for it. It's ridiculous to suggest that consumers have been robbed of their ability to influence the market, they have always held all the cards. Companies only make money if consumers want what they make, and boy do they want it.
If you have reason to believe Amazon is somehow preventing consumers from buying DRM-free books, I'd be happy to hear it. The kind of failures that markets can't solve themselves are typically ones of deception and coercion, show me that.
> None of that is stuff that consumers on their own would prioritize, but they're market conditions that benefit everyone tremendously.
Says you. I'll let consumers decide what's important and what market conditions are beneficial to them, thank you.
> either people don't understand security/access at all and we shouldn't treat any of their purchasing decisions on this with reverence, or people are making a security decision not to trust phone manufactures when they uncheck that box, and we shouldn't shame them for having a different risk model than us.
People don't need to understand security/access at all for their purchasing decisions to be legitimate. Do you need to be an expert in plumbing to know that you need a plumber? Do you need plumber skills to figure out that the wet & broken mess you've made by yourself suggests you need expert help? You can't conflate a consumer's knowledge of security risk with a consumer's knowledge of security itself. Security risks & benefits are really obvious: consumers notice when they or people they know get hacked & phished. They notice when their computer slows down to a crawl and starts injecting garbage into their screen. They especially notice when iPhones & Chromebooks have none of these problems.
Knowing if a non-vetted program is safe to bypass regular security checkpoints? Consumers consistently and repeatedly fail that test almost every time they're given the opportunity.
> How do you know that normal users don't just have a separate threat model than you and that they're willing to uncheck that box because they're consciously deciding to tolerate a greater rate of infection/malware than you find acceptable?
I know because they switch to a more secure & locked down platform wherever they can. I know because they loudly complain that Android is full of malware and unvetted trash and then proceed to buy an iPhone. I know because the anger& confusion they lash out with when they fuck up their own security clearly indicate that they'd rather never deal with that ever again. The idea that most consumers were happy with the previously awful state of security is totally absurd when they fled those platforms en masse the first chance they could get.
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#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, I've done real work on the go. The manufacturer of my tablet sells it as a productivity device. My tablet is more powerful than my laptop and I have a portable keyboard and mouse for it. Why have all this power if all I can do is play Candy Crush?
To use it as a Java based platform, not as yet another example of UNIX monoculture stuck in V6 CLI mindset. Also, plenty of musicians, painters, designers, writers do real work on Android, my previous remark about real work was playing devil's advocate.
Yes, plenty of musicians, painters, designers, can do real on Android. We cannot. The unix nonoculture, as you call it, is effectively programmer culture -- even Microsoft has included Linux with Windows now. Supporting a Linux user land on Android would be easy (given it's Linux kernel roots) and instantly give developers a massive library of software to work with.
In 12 years, not a single decent useful developer tool has ever been built natively for Android. With a few small moves, Google could give developers 50 years worth of software to be productive with. Instead they continue to make it more difficult.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
General purpose computing is one possible safeguard, it also has pretty big and clear downsides for many consumers and isn't obviously the right choice for most. And again, the proof is in the pudding. If closed-down markets degrade and become awful over time, the market will eventually reflect and account for that in the future. Long-term consequences eventually materialize into immediate consequences after all. In…
> General purpose computing is one possible safeguard, it also has pretty big and clear downsides for many consumers and isn't obviously the right choice for most. Yes, but isn't it sad if (say) mom and dad have better hardware at their disposal than people who need general purpose computing for their jobs (e.g. scientists, hackers, ...). Optimizing for the majority is not always a good thing as it can result in bad…
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#300Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement
> Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Yet. Google seems to be restricting Android more and more with each release. I fully switched to the PinePhone last year because of this.
General sideloading? True, that's anyone's guess.