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Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by stjohnswarts »

amingilani wrote: post #9

Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement

Thanks for the clarification. I was going to say I might as well just switch to Apple if I can't sideload and enjoy some freedom with my phone even if it's not as free as I would like.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by MrDresden »

bill_mon wrote: post #116
driverdan wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you expect them to continue supporting a 5 year old OS version?

Because most devices can't be updated? Supporting version 4+ gives you a much larger audience than limiting to version 7+.

I think this was a very logical thing for them to do.

Supporting platforms that old comes with a massive amount of headaches. It is hard enough for big teams of applications with high MRR to do, and is near impossible for a FOSS application to do in perpetuity.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by angry_octet »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #250
angry_octet wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for the many CPUs with separate instruction and data caches, i.e. Harvard architecture L1, von Neumann main memory. https://community.arm.com/developer/ip-products/processors/b...

That's not really the same thing though. Those are just different caches of RAM. There's nothing really special about them.

It's exactly Harvard. Instructions can only be loaded from the I cache, and data operands from the D cache. If you JIT something you have to flush the relevant D cache entries and invalidate the relevant I cache and then it will get reloaded.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by MrDresden »

app4soft wrote: post #109
thetinguy wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think 5 years of support is reasonable.

No. Beside Android 5.x/6.x devices, I has Symbian 9.x (Nokia N82) smartphone which works perfectly. And there are a lot of new apps for it: - https://old.reddit.com/r/symbian/new P.S. My 10+ year-old laptop perfectly works with latest MX Linux distribution (based on Debian 10 buster ) and all modern FLOSS desktop apps (GIMP, FreeCAD, Inkscape, etc.) works like a charm on it. So, software devs should NOT declare users…

Now that just comes off as being written by someone who feels very entitled to the hard work of others.

If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you fork the project and continue integrating upstream features and fixes for those on pre 7.x devices? Or would that take too much of your own time to do?

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by h_anna_h »

drKarl wrote: post #50
amingilani wrote: post #9

Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement

Wow! That is a very big deal!!! Almost all of the Apps I have on my Android phone are installed from F-Droid, and I try to avoid installing any Apps from other sources, exceptions force upon me by my social circle, like WhatsApp. I have a PinePhone but it is not yet ready as a daily driver, and also the difference in hardware performance between my Android phone (which I bought this year) and PinePhone (or even Libre…

Afaik, if you disable it you basically let everyone spam you with password reset notifications.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by MrDresden »

londons_explore wrote: post #132
vorpalhex wrote: post #86

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> But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive security tradeoff for something that 99% of apps don't need to do. Yet oddly, I as the user who paid $550 for my device would like to do that. I understand wanting to put a warning on it, but otherwise my device can kindly screw off and do what I've told it to do, or it will be taking a one way ride out the nearest window. The de…

My personal security metric is "how many bitcoins would I leave in a wallet app on this phone". Currently that number is about 1 ($30k) on an up to date android. I believe that if I had more bitcoins on a phone, and told people about it, there's a good chance a targeted exploit would steal those keys. Even if I had them encrypted, at some point I have to type a password in to decrypt, and that would be the point they…

Well yes, I would consider any Android device family other than the Pixel / Nokia line a security hazard, with or without any bitcoins on it.

Comparing a rushed Q4 market Samsung phone to an iPhone is simply comparing a brick and an orange.

There are many problems with Android, but that the price for a zero day exploit on Android has become more valuable than one for iOS as far as 2019 [0] should tell you something about how a proper Android phone would fare in the comparison. Please leave the brick where it belongs.

[0] https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-z...

p.s I would also just never leave bitcoin on my phone.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by zamadatix »

adewinter wrote: post #241
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #215

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There is "people intentionally side-loading", and "people getting social engineered into installing something they shouldn't".

I think even when you sum those two quantities it'll still be less than the number of people getting hit by apps from the regular play store.

Likely but not because no filtering at is is better than mediocre filtering rather precisely because it's not easy for a user to "accidentally" side load.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by rodgerd »

admax88q wrote: post #182
amingilani wrote: post #9

Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement

I wonder what the actual numbers are on malware installed via side-loading and malware installed from the play store. There is no shortage of sketchy apps on the play store. Through my personal bias I would imagine that most people side-loading apps tend to be people using F-Droid who know more or less what they're doing. Although I'm sure there are some people who blindly follow sketch website telling them to instal…

> There is no shortage of sketchy apps on the play store.

Certainly the Play store being a walled garden which appears to be full of weeds, nightshade, and hemlock is one of the key factors in pushing me over to iOS.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by rodgerd »

app4soft wrote: post #109
thetinguy wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think 5 years of support is reasonable.

No. Beside Android 5.x/6.x devices, I has Symbian 9.x (Nokia N82) smartphone which works perfectly. And there are a lot of new apps for it: - https://old.reddit.com/r/symbian/new P.S. My 10+ year-old laptop perfectly works with latest MX Linux distribution (based on Debian 10 buster ) and all modern FLOSS desktop apps (GIMP, FreeCAD, Inkscape, etc.) works like a charm on it. So, software devs should NOT declare users…

It's an open source project. Feel free to pitch in, sponsor, or shut the fuck up .

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by rodgerd »

matkoniecz wrote: post #243
app4soft wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, since January 1st, 2020 Termux team dropped[0] support for Android 5.x/6.x , so actually in F-Droid repo it now requires minimum Android 7.x : > Support for Android 5.x.x - 6.x.x is dropped forever. Time to upgrade your devices or learn how to backport git changes. [1] And this part from Termux devs reply is especially cynical: > ... Time to upgrade your devices... [1] It looks like they has a contract with de…

It is not Termux devs fault that many phone manufacturers fail to handle OS upgrades. They are not obligated to support them, feel free to support all Android versions at once in your project.

Precisely. If you want long-term support, don't use Android in the first place.
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