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Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by marmaduke »

pkulak wrote: post #79
turbinerneiter wrote: post #72

A lot of time, money and effort invested to support a platform whos creator is unwilling to provide support. I think it's part of the Linux ethos to run on everything, but I also think this kind of effort is ... not wasted, but I feel like it could be spent more efficiently. Still looking forward to hear about the first successful boots and the epic reverse engineering feats. Just wish this kind of stuff wouldn't be…

Mac hardware is just so damn good though. And everywhere. I absolutely agree with what you're saying... but man, Linux working well on an M1 Mac would be my ideal machine.

Would it be materially different than Linux running in a VM on m1? Because you can have that now

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by ogre_codes »

mhh__ wrote: post #30
ogre_codes wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? If they'd intended to shut this down, they would have a locked down boot loader like on iOS. Instead they deliberately built a boot loader which supported things like this.

The engineers who did that probably don't make the decision on things like this. When have Apple been open about anything recently?

This took time and resources to make happen. This isn't some switch a rogue engineer pulled while management wasn't looking. Not only did it take time and effort to implement, they've also documented it.

> When have Apple been open about anything recently?

Darwin, WebKit, Swift, LLVM, This effort.

Apple keeps iOS fairly tight the Mac, not so much.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

#103

Post by Wohlf »

midrus wrote: post #97
rightisleft wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it? my 2016 macbook was the worst apple product i've ever owned...

Worst apple product is still far ahead of most non-apple alternatives. At least laptops wise.

I really don't find them any better than the competing products in the same price range these days, but you do you.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

#104

Post by zucker42 »

corytheboyd wrote: post #55

I hope this and projects like it spearhead a movement of ARM laptops outside of the Apple-sphere. I wonder if System76, for example, has their eyes on being the first to market as “the Linux laptop on ARM”. Seems right up their alley. Also worth noting that I understand that System76 and Apple are not comparable companies. One is a humble operation installing a custom Linux build on rebranded hardware, and the other…

The problem is no other laptop manufacturer besides Apple has the capital and resources to build their own chip.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

#105

Post by djsumdog »

rightisleft wrote: post #94
pkulak wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac hardware is just so damn good though. And everywhere. I absolutely agree with what you're saying... but man, Linux working well on an M1 Mac would be my ideal machine.

is it? my 2016 macbook was the worst apple product i've ever owned...

I got Linux running on a MacBook 14,3. It was ... less than ideal.

https://battlepenguin.com/tech/linux-on-a-macbook-pro-14-3/

..but I also don't want to see Linux get left in the dust. I'm more likely Intel or AMD crush the M1 in their next few generations.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

#106

Post by ogre_codes »

ciwolsey wrote: post #47
ogre_codes wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? If they'd intended to shut this down, they would have a locked down boot loader like on iOS. Instead they deliberately built a boot loader which supported things like this.

Get people on board first. Lock it down once it's too late and everyone is invested.

> Get people on board first. Lock it down once it's too late and everyone is invested.

Examples? Been using the Mac for 15 years and haven't observed this myself. iOS was more or less locked down from go, but they never did some kind of bait-and-switch.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

#107

Post by saagarjha »

rightisleft wrote: post #94
pkulak wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac hardware is just so damn good though. And everywhere. I absolutely agree with what you're saying... but man, Linux working well on an M1 Mac would be my ideal machine.

is it? my 2016 macbook was the worst apple product i've ever owned...

I think you're comparing it to the wrong thing.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

#108

Post by fareesh »

Do the cons of open sourcing device drivers really outweigh the pros? Good / popular hardware will end up benefitting from all kinds of contributions from interested folks. Plus the recruitment pool and onboarding of new talent expands by a reasonable amount, in theory.

Is it really the case that somewhere in the drivers there is some secret sauce that is so ingenious that if the competition got wind of it, it would give them free access to a lot of hard work and research, and enable them to catch up?

I guess I've never really dealt with super secret proprietary magic beans before so I can't relate.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

#109

Post by saagarjha »

kmeisthax wrote: post #80
raverbashing wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say there might be ongoing work to support Windows/BootCamp but in true Apple tradition (or maybe due to MS delays) it is being kept secret

Apple's outright said it's a matter of Microsoft agreeing to license Windows on ARM for consumers. Right now putting Windows on an ARM Mac is about as legal as Hackintoshing.

I don't think that's what Apple said at all–they just said the ball is in their court, which means that they want Microsoft to write Bootcamp essentially.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

#110

Post by ogre_codes »

DevKoala wrote: post #95
turbinerneiter wrote: post #72

A lot of time, money and effort invested to support a platform whos creator is unwilling to provide support. I think it's part of the Linux ethos to run on everything, but I also think this kind of effort is ... not wasted, but I feel like it could be spent more efficiently. Still looking forward to hear about the first successful boots and the epic reverse engineering feats. Just wish this kind of stuff wouldn't be…

Yeah, I also see a tough situation developing a few years down the road when Apple inevitably closes the platform even more and harms features of this project. Hopefully I am wrong.

> inevitably

It's been inevitable for 10+ years now.

Maybe this word doesn't mean what you think it means.

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