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Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by machello13 »

fsflover wrote: post #60
machello13 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've plenty communicated their intention to not turn the Mac into the iPhone/iPad. And besides which, it would be a disastrous product strategy to do that, from a company that's absolutely top-of-the-ball when it comes to product strategy.

Are you serious? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959

Sorry, that seems like a total non sequitur to me. What about that (an outage + a failure to correctly handle the outage on the clientside) suggests Apple is planning to lock down macOS like iOS, either in terms of hardware or software?

Or rather, maybe you'd like to explain what you think Apple would have to gain from doing something like that?

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by turbinerneiter »

A lot of time, money and effort invested to support a platform whos creator is unwilling to provide support.

I think it's part of the Linux ethos to run on everything, but I also think this kind of effort is ... not wasted, but I feel like it could be spent more efficiently.

Still looking forward to hear about the first successful boots and the epic reverse engineering feats.

Just wish this kind of stuff wouldn't be needed anymore and companies would just release their specs already.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by CyberRabbi »

Commendable effort but as someone who has spent significant time dealing with closed hardware, I believe that it is more efficient and beneficial long term to build a platform that supports linux. I support this project anyway because non-linear outcomes occur often enough in the marketplace of reality. Who can really know what will evolve from this work?

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by amelius »

libria wrote: post #7

Very interesting overall. > Apple allows booting unsigned/custom kernels on Apple Silicon macs without a jailbreak! This isn’t a hack or an omission, but an actual feature that Apple built into these devices. Indefinitely? How do we know it's a feature vs a temporarily convenient oversight? > Our goal is not just to make Linux run on these machines, but to polish it to the point where it can be used as a daily OS. Do…

> Indefinitely? How do we know it's a feature vs a temporarily convenient oversight?

Apple could take most of the speculation/hostility away by simply giving their word for it. But they don't ...

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by stopFalse »

DCKing wrote: post #45
chpmrc wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple adds limitations to protect the system: "too strict!" Apple gives the chance to disable these limitations to power users: "they should be disabled by default!" Apple disables limitations: "temporary convenient oversight?" ...

It's a bad faith argument. The presupposition is that Apple is inherently motivated to actively lock things down, because that's what they do with the iPhone. This glosses over that Apple has no reason to actually do so, only has reasons not to do it on the Mac, and has gone on record saying they won't treat the Mac as the iPhone. It's based on the notion that Apple would be against free booting a priori for some rea…

We've seen Apple remove competition from the App Store at will.

This is not theoretical.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by fanatic2pope »

ogre_codes wrote: post #29
mhh__ wrote: post #24

What are the odds Apple shit on this?

Why? If they'd intended to shut this down, they would have a locked down boot loader like on iOS. Instead they deliberately built a boot loader which supported things like this.

It wouldn't be unprecedented. Sony released the Playstation 3 with the ability to run Linux and removed it later using a firmware update.

https://tedium.co/2020/11/27/sony-linux-otheros-geohot-histo...

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by pkulak »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #72

A lot of time, money and effort invested to support a platform whos creator is unwilling to provide support. I think it's part of the Linux ethos to run on everything, but I also think this kind of effort is ... not wasted, but I feel like it could be spent more efficiently. Still looking forward to hear about the first successful boots and the epic reverse engineering feats. Just wish this kind of stuff wouldn't be…

Mac hardware is just so damn good though. And everywhere. I absolutely agree with what you're saying... but man, Linux working well on an M1 Mac would be my ideal machine.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by kmeisthax »

raverbashing wrote: post #20
Bluerise wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all the feature wasn't available in the initial Big Sur release and it only got available during the Betas for the first minor patch. Second of all, some Apple developer stated on Twitter that (during M1 unveil) he's finally able to show all the boot policy work they worked on the past year(s) to allow users to boot foreign OSes and without opening up holes for attackers. Basically it boils down to: they cou…

I'd say there might be ongoing work to support Windows/BootCamp but in true Apple tradition (or maybe due to MS delays) it is being kept secret

Apple's outright said it's a matter of Microsoft agreeing to license Windows on ARM for consumers. Right now putting Windows on an ARM Mac is about as legal as Hackintoshing.
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