Is Everything Securities Fraud?
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Is Everything Securities Fraud?
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Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#2This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which already belongs to the shareholders.
Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#3This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which alread…
Link to Levine's piece:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-05/dystop...
Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#4This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which alread…
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Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#5This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which alread…
This also probably disincentives companies from misbehaving, as being sued by their shareholders is expensive and bad.
Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#6This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which alread…
So I didn't read the piece, but that money may belong to the shareholders but not be reflected on the stock price. When a company tanks stocks can be kind like "not really that liquid", because to get back the "true" value of the assets you own via your share of the company back you need to wait for it to go up again. If you sue you may get your money sooner and put it back to work on a functioning company or lower risk investment. Does he tackle that? Skimming the article it doesn't look like it, and the motivation to sue on some of this cases is to get the ROI shareholders were hoping for in a timely and less risky fashion after a company collapses due to malice or incompetence.
Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#7This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which alread…
That... is a good point. Actually, suing a company for securities fraud seems kind of strange when you put it that way. How could a shareholder derive net benefit from suing a company for a share of the assets they already own? Unless they've already sold the shares and they're suing to try and recover their loss? Is that allowed?
Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#8This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which alread…
Shareholders own the free cash flow (roughly). But through lawsuits convert that to debt.
Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#9This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which alread…
Link to Levine's piece: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-05/dystop...
A securities fraud lawsuit against a company because the work environment is toxic reminds me of the movie Unforgiven. For those unaware, the movie starts with a cowboy disfiguring a prostitute with a knife because she laughed at him. After the incident, the guy who manages the brothel is financially compensated since he had invested money in bringing the prostitute to his place of business, money which he will presumably be unable to recover now that the woman has been disfigured. No compensation is ordered for the disfigured woman (another cowboy does try to compensate her out of guilt), instead, the perpetrator is flogged, and that's supposed to be enough for the woman.
There's a real gap in our understanding of capitalism and crime if it's easier to compensate shareholders of a toxic company than it is to compensate the direct victims of that toxic behavior. If a toxic culture would suppress stock prices, it seems that the same culture would suppress career advancement, physical health and general mental well being. The problem seems to be that an employee must not only prove criminality but also particularized harm, whereas the standard for a successful securities fraud lawsuit seems to be lower.
Re: Is Everything Securities Fraud?
#10This is probably showing up because it showed up in Matt Levine’s newsletter which returned today. In the newsletter, Matt disagrees with one of the conclusions drawn in the paper that shareholders have a perverse incentive to invest in companies that do bad things because they are compensated their loses when the stock goes down. He disagrees because their are compensated with money that the company has which alread…
That... is a good point. Actually, suing a company for securities fraud seems kind of strange when you put it that way. How could a shareholder derive net benefit from suing a company for a share of the assets they already own? Unless they've already sold the shares and they're suing to try and recover their loss? Is that allowed?
If only a subset of shareholders are suing, e.g. shareholders who bought shares between date X and date Y, they are only losing a fraction of a dollar in share value for every dollar they win in the lawsuit. They are gaining at the expense of shareholders who are not part of the lawsuit.
(Ignoring court fees.. the suing shareholder is paying court fees on both ends, could end up being net negative.)