This is sad that larger companies have a fear of the new kids on the block. When in fact, large companies should be embracing the young companies.
That idea is not in-line with a business mindset.
Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business
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#12I still can't believe regulators allowed Ticketmaster and Live Nation to merge
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#13Why are the people who did the hacking and those who ordered it not being brought up on criminal charges? How the heck is it that we have a legal system that shields criminals so long as the crime is in service to a large corporation?
The article, when we read it tells us:
The charges against Ticketmaster come 26 months after Zeeshan Zaidi, the former head of Ticketmaster’s artist services division, pled guilty in a related case to conspiring to hack the rival company and engage in wired fraud. According to prosecutors, the former rival employee emailed the login credentials to Zaidi and another Ticketmaster employee.
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#14A corporation criminally hacked a rival for profit and got away with a small fine. A person doing the exact same thing would be heading to prison. Seems like the same crime has a very different outcome when a corporation commits it.
The article notes that Zeeshan Zaidi, a Ticketmaster exec, plead guilty to violating the CFAA and to wire fraud in 2019, and is apparently still awaiting sentencing. You can read the criminal complaint: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.439451...
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#15A corporation criminally hacked a rival for profit and got away with a small fine. A person doing the exact same thing would be heading to prison. Seems like the same crime has a very different outcome when a corporation commits it.
A corporation regular committing crimes is a good revenue stream if they pay the fines consistently. So yes, the outcome is expected to be different, this shouldn’t be mind blowing.
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#16A corporation criminally hacked a rival for profit and got away with a small fine. A person doing the exact same thing would be heading to prison. Seems like the same crime has a very different outcome when a corporation commits it.
A corporation regular committing crimes is a good revenue stream if they pay the fines consistently. So yes, the outcome is expected to be different, this shouldn’t be mind blowing.
They should be nationalized to become an even better revenue stream
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#17What terribly worded and confusing as fuck title. In case anyone was wondering, who, specifically went out of business: > Court documents didn’t identify the rival company, but Variety reported it was Songkick, which in 2017 filed a lawsuit accusing Ticketmaster of hacking its database. A few months later, Songkick went out of business.
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#18A corporation criminally hacked a rival for profit and got away with a small fine. A person doing the exact same thing would be heading to prison. Seems like the same crime has a very different outcome when a corporation commits it.
>Seems like the same crime has a very different outcome when a corporation commits it.
Of course it does. There's a separate justice system for the rich and powerful.
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#19It's fairly frustrating that no one is going to prison over this 100% greed-motivated, brazen corporate crime.
At least one actual human has plead guilty: "The charges against Ticketmaster come 26 months after Zeeshan Zaidi, the former head of Ticketmaster’s artist services division, pled guilty in a related case to conspiring to hack the rival company and engage in wired [sic] fraud." He appears to be awaiting sentencing.
Let's say this guy gets 2 years for conspiracy. Not even doing the crime. He loses 2 of about 45 years in the workforce, or vaguely 5% of his lifetime income.
For this to be proportional, ticketmaster should lose either 2 full years worth of income, or 5% of all profits in perpetuity. The amount they were fined for actually doing the crime was a rounding error by comparison.
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#20A corporation criminally hacked a rival for profit and got away with a small fine. A person doing the exact same thing would be heading to prison. Seems like the same crime has a very different outcome when a corporation commits it.
Some of the "sovereign citizen" folks have a whole mythology based on "incorporated people", it has some appeal in that it'd be nice if there was just one law and it applied to all.
Why can't we have our own personal corporations, which can stiff our creditors, cheat customers, etc etc with impunity? Surely all the social benefits of allowing this behavior from groups would only multiply if these liberties extended to individuals as well.