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My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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Do you have 2FA enabled? I suspect that if you have either an authenticator app or a security key, it will use that instead of random heuristics. (This isn't a defense of Google's behavior, just a comment on things that are actually within the end user's control.)

I don't want 2FA and I have it disabled but they often ask me for more than my password which is like forcing 2FA on me (but what you say may be true).

Why don't you want 2fa? What concern do you have? You can use fido key if you have concerns about the software authenticator. and you don't need to use your phone number.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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post #177

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Flip it around for a second. You sign up for online banking. You use your GMail account as your e-mail address. You get banking statements in your e-mail, you can reset your password to the bank with that e-mail address, etc. Now, a scammer is trying to access your e-mail account. What level of proof do you want them to have to offer Google to get ahold of that e-mail? These tech companies are not asking for an "unre…

"you can reset your password to the bank with that e-mail address" - wait, what? That's not plausible at least where I live, since (a) this would be massively abused to drain people's banking accounts and (b) the bank would be fully on the hook for compensating these losses (above an initial 50 eur risk IIRC), so none of the banks would even consider permitting a risk like that, since that would cost them so much mon…

How would online-only banks work there?

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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This is one reason I will not give out a phone number for the vast majority of services. If that means I can't use something, so be it. Building proprietary, impossible-to-understand Rube Goldberg mechanisms based on associations between accidental aspects of my life (location:phone number pairs, for instance) is not a security system, it is a design for randomly fucking me over. If your system is designed to fuck me…

> I would prefer to use something else, thanks. What is the alternative to Gmail? Genuinely interested. I'd be willing to switch if I found a future-proof email solution for both personal and business usage.

I've been very happy with kolabnow.com services for a biz email acct, and I'm likely to switch personal over there too. Not free, but inexpensive, FOSS, Private, Swiss-located, and really solid service and support. Among a ~dozen others I've tried or still using, Kolab is the best of the lot.

(&yes, I use Gmail for junk or transactional stuff; need the acct for an Android mobile, and their UI is a horrific kludge of UI conceits trying to showcase their 'mad design skilz' - yuk!)

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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This is one reason I will not give out a phone number for the vast majority of services. If that means I can't use something, so be it. Building proprietary, impossible-to-understand Rube Goldberg mechanisms based on associations between accidental aspects of my life (location:phone number pairs, for instance) is not a security system, it is a design for randomly fucking me over. If your system is designed to fuck me…

> I would prefer to use something else, thanks. What is the alternative to Gmail? Genuinely interested. I'd be willing to switch if I found a future-proof email solution for both personal and business usage.

When this question is asked, there's always a hundred people eagerly telling you to switch to Fastmail, forgetting that 14 years ago, everyone was saying switch to Gmail because it was the good option.

I would just suggest people think about what might happen if Fastmail gets enough of a userbase to be the next Gmail.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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> I would prefer to use something else, thanks. What is the alternative to Gmail? Genuinely interested. I'd be willing to switch if I found a future-proof email solution for both personal and business usage.

When this question is asked, there's always a hundred people eagerly telling you to switch to Fastmail, forgetting that 14 years ago, everyone was saying switch to Gmail because it was the good option. I would just suggest people think about what might happen if Fastmail gets enough of a userbase to be the next Gmail.

Fastmail is monetized in a completely different way from gmail.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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"you can reset your password to the bank with that e-mail address" - wait, what? That's not plausible at least where I live, since (a) this would be massively abused to drain people's banking accounts and (b) the bank would be fully on the hook for compensating these losses (above an initial 50 eur risk IIRC), so none of the banks would even consider permitting a risk like that, since that would cost them so much mon…

How would online-only banks work there?

The standard solution for local online-only fintech services would involve piggybacking off of the existing secure electronic ID i.e. digitally signing the agreements (and the request for credential change) with the electronic signature key on your gov't ID chipcard.

I mean, no matter what you do, you have to have some root of trust / root of identity, and it needs to be backed by (and verified in) the physical world - so you either have to do it yourself or delegate it to someone whom you'd trust a lot (i.e. not a random email provider). If a trustworthy universal government ID is available (which is a problem in some places, like USA) then that is a natural solution to that.

Alternatively, an institution is free to trust people remotely, putting effort into fraud monitoring, and taking on whatever risk their trust and processes enable - e.g. we've had some financial institutions verifying passports over videochat in such cases; I have no strong opinion on how safe or risky that is, but presumably the institution has considered the risks very carefully and found them both acceptable and necessary (in that case, sending a scan/photo/picture of the same document was not allowed, it was specifically about live videochat) - which is the key part of the whole thing, the alignment of incentives and responsibility for that risk.

If the consequences of these security risks fall on the users, then the users have to worry about security while financial institutions just wiggle their ears and blame "identity theft". If the consequences fall on the institutions, then the users can stop worrying about the things they mostly can't influence, and the institutions magically design their processes and workflows carefully so that they actually prevent fraud (since it's their own money at stake) and they're forced to implement decent solutions to any tradeoff between usability and security, since their profits depend on both.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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This is one reason I will not give out a phone number for the vast majority of services. If that means I can't use something, so be it. Building proprietary, impossible-to-understand Rube Goldberg mechanisms based on associations between accidental aspects of my life (location:phone number pairs, for instance) is not a security system, it is a design for randomly fucking me over. If your system is designed to fuck me…

I keep a phone number I never answer, with a voip provider I've used for decades. That number forwards to whatever number I care about. I give out only the movable voip number, never my physical cellphone number, when it comes to services. This is what iNUM was supposed to solve. Sadly it didn't take off.

Does that mean you could be screwed if that voip provider disappears before you have time to change things? Or do you own the number somehow (like a domain name?) so that you can move it elsewhere in that situation?

I know nothing about voip providers and this makes the setup sound scary to me.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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post #174

Taking a look at your site, it seems quite clear where all your traffic went. You have a pretty great backlink profile compared to other affiliate sites ive seen but the content is incredibly thin. Based on this, me or anyone else who visits the site just sees an advertising site. There are no personal experiences with the products, the products are not related and the UX does not make the user want to continue explo…

This. Google has had it in for affiliate sites for as long as I can remember, and they specifically dislike thin content. While the site has ~250 words of value editorial at the top of the pages I've looked at, the descriptions of the products themselves are extremely thin (~30-50 words), and would likely fall foul of this Google policy: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/guideline... "Pages of produc…

Is this the reason why top recipe results always contain the poster's entire life story before they ever show a list of ingredients?

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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post #234

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I prefer to pay someone... okay, anyone , who isn't Google. Fastmail, O365, Proton, whatever. Solves the problem and supports non-Google options.

I actually want to switch to O365/outlook for my family domain name but refuse on principle because even with O365 Premium they require you to transfer your domain to GoDaddy... At the moment I'm with Fastmail, but the pricing isn't so competitive

>they require you to transfer your domain to GoDaddy

Not according to this page:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/use-your-own-doma...

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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> My mom forgot her gmail password and no longer had the same mobile number for a reset, the secondary reset option was set to my email but would not send a reset despite this. I’m in a similar position except I know my password. Google decided for whatever reason that my location was too different and now requires that I verify via a phone number I no longer have. I have access to the recovery email and even get ‘su…

For this reason and spam calls, I have a free Google Voice number that I use for all services. I never give my cell #...

How do you log into Google Voice?
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