Termux no longer updated on Google Play • Hacker News Board

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by berdario » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:43 PM UTC

amingilani wrote: post #9

Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement

Wasn't aware of it, interesting

https://landing.google.com/advancedprotection/

There are instructions here for how to unenroll:

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/7539956

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by opencl » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:43 PM UTC

iagovar wrote: post #21

amingilani wrote: post #9

Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement

? I have F-Droid in my phone, is this something new?

It only applies if the Google account on your phone is enrolled in the Advanced Protection Program.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by johnsoft » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:43 PM UTC

amingilani wrote: post #9

Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement

Yikes.

I use f-droid, and I'm lucky enough to be one Android version behind. Can someone who's upgraded let me know what to expect when I upgrade? The blog post mentions that adb still works. Does this mean I'll have to use adb once to install f-droid and have it work normally after that, or will _every_ app need to be installed using adb?

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by Jonnax » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:44 PM UTC

iagovar wrote: post #4

We have to replicate somehow the PC ecosystem into mobile phones. I'd like PostmarketOS / Manjaro to take off, hope it becomes ready as everyday driver one day.

You can get a PinePhone And install Linux onto it:

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

I remember KDE made Plasma Mobile no idea if that works well.

It's a lot of effort to become an everyday driver.

But if you set your standards to about 2012. Then I'm sure you can enjoy it

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by zyx321 » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

iagovar wrote: post #21

amingilani wrote: post #9

Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement

? I have F-Droid in my phone, is this something new?

Advanced Protection is an opt-in for people at risk of targeted attacks. Unless you have a company phone, it's unlikely to be enabled without your knowledge.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by folkrav » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:52 PM UTC

fsflover wrote: post #46

digdigdag wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNU Phones suck. You have to drastically lower your expectations and pay more for the experience. For instance, Librem 5 USA costs a cool $2,000. That's $2,000 for a phone with specs comparable to phones in the mid 2010s. To make it worse, you would have to expect near-zero support, and healthy dose of RTFM and DIY mindset along with it. Thus, for the vast (and I mean VAST) majority of consumers, Librem and the rest…

> For instance, Librem 5 USA costs a cool $2,000. This is an extremely misleading example. You pay $2k if you want your phone to be produced in the USA. How much do alternative phones produced in the USA cost? Standard Librem 5 model costs $800, Pinephone costs $150 or $200.

Indeed, the $2k example was misleading, but the fact it's still $800 for a phone with 2014 specs alone would have been more than enough to get his point across. You do have to pay 3-4x the price you would otherwise to get the privilege of running another OS on older hardware with arguably less functionality (OOTB, at least).

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by gst » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:53 PM UTC

amingilani wrote: post #9

Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid. Edit: Note that the Advanced Protection program is opt-in for users that require the highest degree of security Google can offer. Regular users won't be impacted by this. Edit: proof https://imgur.com/a/yktPNIc Edit 2: see @haunter's comment for a link to the change announcement

> Quick note: Google's Advanced Protection program disallows sideloading apps, so you can't install F-droid.

It's still possible to sideload apps if they are installed with ADB.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by ddevault » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:53 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #64

TL;DR: Android is trying to enforce all data being either writable, or executable, never both. iOS already does this. There are big security benefits (it becomes much harder to exploit an app). A disadvantage is it becomes much harder to make things like terminal emulators and things that want to download random code and run it. But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive se…

This reminds me of the Harvard architecture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_architecture

Perhaps most familiar to the typical HN reader via Arduinos, and contrasted with von Neumann:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

And anyone who has tried to make any kind of interesting general-purpose system on a Harvard design will tell you that it's not really practical.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by fsflover » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:54 PM UTC

folkrav wrote: post #76

fsflover wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For instance, Librem 5 USA costs a cool $2,000. This is an extremely misleading example. You pay $2k if you want your phone to be produced in the USA. How much do alternative phones produced in the USA cost? Standard Librem 5 model costs $800, Pinephone costs $150 or $200.

Indeed, the $2k example was misleading, but the fact it's still $800 for a phone with 2014 specs alone would have been more than enough to get his point across. You do have to pay 3-4x the price you would otherwise to get the privilege of running another OS on older hardware with arguably less functionality (OOTB, at least).

Librem 5 provides features which no other phone provides. Simple specs comparison does not show the whole picture. See FAQ: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque....

Edit: Also, why do you need a better performance? Browsing and 3D games work fine.

Re: Termux no longer updated on Google Play

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Post by forgotmypw17 » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 2:56 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #64

TL;DR: Android is trying to enforce all data being either writable, or executable, never both. iOS already does this. There are big security benefits (it becomes much harder to exploit an app). A disadvantage is it becomes much harder to make things like terminal emulators and things that want to download random code and run it. But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive se…

>But those are by far the minority of apps, and it seems crazy to make a pretty massive security tradeoff for something that 99% of apps don't need to do.

It also completely eliminates general purpose computing.

>One solution might be a special permission to be allowed to do that, but it seems unlikely a user could really make an informed decision.

I think the way "Developer Mode" on Android is implemented is pretty good.