A user does not show up in “People nearby” unless they enable the function. Doing so triggers a warning from Telegram informing you your location is about to be published and it may lead to undesired attention so it really can’t happen by accident. I’m also using the app on iOS, the operating system asks periodically if I want to continue sharing location in the background (in case I forget to turn it off) or I can j…
it's a privacy issue. Users who enable the feature don't understand that are basically publishing thier latitude longitude online. Which can be resolved into a home address.
Telegram publishes users' locations online
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#152“Users in the People Nearby section” Is that everyone on telegram or just your “friends”?
Re: Telegram publishes users' locations online
#153>[Line] fixed it by adding a random number to the user's destination This is a imperfect solution. There's two possibilities: the offset (aka "random number") is dynamic, or it's fixed. If it's the former all you have to do is sample enough times to get through the noise. If it's the latter, it's not vulnerable to the previous attack, but if you have a known point of reference (so you can deduce what the offset is),…
Map cells are the best solution available for 90% of locations, but they don't help with the 10% that's close to map borders. If an user randomly jumps between two map cells you know they live at the boundary. Generally there is often noise in GPS signals so it's likely that person will jump around. Furthermore, if a person uses multiple services, and each service has its own cell layout, you can check all services a…
> It might be tempting to think that reduced accuracy locations are simply your true location with some noise added in.
> But that is not the case. Simply adding some random noise on top of the user's true location is actually not that secure against someone who might wish to disambiguate the true location. Instead it's better to think of what happens under the hood as a quantization of sorts. Let me explain further.
> Let's look at an example area. Consider different users going on a drive in the vicinity of El Paso, Texas and Juarez, Mexico. Note that this is near an international boundary, with the US being in the northern half of the map, and Mexico being in the southern half, bordered by this pink line you see here. The true position of the user is represented by the cars while the reported position, that is to say what an app would see if it had reduced accuracy, will be shown by a circle. Again as I mentioned earlier in this presentation, these reported locations will contain the user's true location.
> As these users drive down Interstate 10 the location snaps to within different quantize regions of varying sizes. Both the red and yellow users are going to be quantized or "snapped" into the same regions as they drive along the road.
> But the amount of snapping will vary. In denser urban areas, this amount of quantization can be a couple of kilometers, but in less dense places like rural areas, it can be 10 kilometers or a bit more. A typical value for this quantization radius is around five kilometers. Note that despite the cars continuously driving along the road the region to which the true position quantities will not continuously update. This is because Reduced Accuracy locations are recomputed about 4 times per hour. So depending on exactly how fast these cars are moving there might be some lag between quantized snaps. The actual semantics of the quantization are intended to replicate what the user would expect to hear if they were to ask for an approximate answer to the question "Where am I"? We tried to ensure that the resultant reduced accuracy location is still going to be somewhere that the user actually expects to be. We use a location we have for you to place your approximate location on the appropriate side of the border here.
> Again though remember that the center point does not represent the location of the user. It only represents the center of a region where they approximately are. Approximate location snapping however might put you in a neighboring city especially if there are cities close together. To reiterate the bit about quantization around borders, let's see what happens to someone driving on the other side of the border in Juarez and what they might expect to see.
> Note that the blue car is quantized into regions whose centers are on the Mexican side of the border.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Signal is terrible. I use the app still, but it’s horribly buggy. The disappearing messages, a hallmark feature, is fundamentally broken in some way that I can’t fully comprehend. Totally unreliable. Telegram is better in every way... except security.
I'm curious as toileting what you see as "horribly buggy" and what brokenness you see in disappearing messages? I use Signal on iOS, and it's pretty much flawless. Extremely rare for me to even hear friends (many of which I communicate with using Signal) talking about problems, I vaguely recall having something go wrong a long time back, but can't even recall what it was now, only that it went away and started workin…
On Android it's flawless.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except it's not. Telegram has clients for every imaginable platform while AFAIK Signal only works on phones (and that's just one issue).
https://www.engadget.com/2019-11-29-signal-ipad.html Works on tablets and desktops too. Just set it up as a linked device.
They owned feature phones so they've been blocked. Telegram paired just fine and works on any number of devices without linking them together and worrying about connectivity/battery for the main device.
Re: Telegram publishes users' locations online
#156A user does not show up in “People nearby” unless they enable the function. Doing so triggers a warning from Telegram informing you your location is about to be published and it may lead to undesired attention so it really can’t happen by accident. I’m also using the app on iOS, the operating system asks periodically if I want to continue sharing location in the background (in case I forget to turn it off) or I can j…
Does the message say “everyone in the world” or just “people nearby”? I think my parents would assume that “nearby” meant people physically in the vicinity!
Re: Telegram publishes users' locations online
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Signal is terrible. I use the app still, but it’s horribly buggy. The disappearing messages, a hallmark feature, is fundamentally broken in some way that I can’t fully comprehend. Totally unreliable. Telegram is better in every way... except security.
Telegram is a business. Ads are coming this year. Signal is basically a non profit (so far). Thats all I need to know to make a choice given the track record of the robotic buffoon class that believe everything that momentarily scales up needs to be monetized asap to shit out one mindless billionaire here and there.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Adding a fixed error based on user's hashed data (so it is constant but different for every user) seems like a good enough solution, no?
If people are moving in roads and there is a reasonable time resolution or enough data sampled it is likely that you can correct it.
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#160It's a shame that people still use Telegram when Signal is so much better, and has better credentials all around.