If only there had been a way for California to protect its workers... but on a serious note- union?
They have a union but it seems to be passively rolling over and allowing this to happen.
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
No they shouldn’t. That will perpetuate the issue. Healthcare needs to move in the direction of being provided by the state or at least needs to be decoupled from your profession and affordable. The status quo is what needs to change. Gig economy work is going to take over. People need to insure and protect themselves. And it needs to be possible.
I agree, but there is great risk in letting the norms of what is a "decent and fair" standard of living degrade until the universal basic income and healthcare arrive.
Except the majority of Americans are happy with their current situation[0]. They recognize improvements are required for other's, but personally don't dislike their situation. This is the core problem, and will not get fixed if everyone continues to be happy and content. Papering over the inefficacy by off loading the burden into other sectors is the exact cause of US's healthcare issue. For the political will to arrive it requires more people to become unhappy, you cannot cut an onion without tears. Or you can protect everyone and not change the system, that's what US has been doing for a hundred years.
[0] https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/09/politics/gallup-private-h... <- first duck duck go search result
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because there is an existing large class of people (2 in 3 Americans) who have acted based on the idea that housing is a market and have bought a home on that basis. They have no interest in altering the status quo. To add to that, you can't choose what housing is priced by unless you have government price controls and that is a cure that's worse than the disease.
Singapore has some pretty nice public housing. If there was a government policy that any time median rents climb above X, the state will procure land and build housing until it drops below that number again, it might be more workable than the blunt instrument of price caps.
Unfortunately, even the state gets caught up with the broken system of building approval with NIMBYist local interests control zoning and building approval.
https://ktla.com/news/california/its-insane-san-diego-county...
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why are you arguing to me against raising minimum wage, when all I said was that people deserve a living wage? Well, you said: > why can we not agree that the people who do the job deserve to be compensated with a living wage and deserve dignity and stability? How do you propose that a person doing a "job" earn a "living wage" without making changes to the minimum wage? I sense much more of an argumentative tone to…
As others have said in this thread and in many other places, the minimum wage does not really correspond to the wage required to live a comfortable and dignified life. It is merely the least amount of money an employer can pay an employee without it being illegal, and has very little to do with the cost of living. If I seem argumentative, it is because I am exasperated with the gymnastics that people will do in order…
If you are for a comfortable living wage, how do you propose it is ensured without a minimum wage at some, to be specified, level?
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the same article: >No surprise, many ballot measures do not say otherwise. Compared to that default, Prop. 22’s high bar for amendments actually gives the Legislature more influence than the norm. - >If Prop 22 is going to be amended or repealed, it basically has to be done through the popular vote. And how exactly is this a bad thing?
Because the 7/8 majority is nothing but lip service to being flexible. It is designed to be used the exact way you are doing now in debates like this. A majority that high is not feasible to actually be implemented.
??? Are you just ignoring everything we previously discussed?
Having a way to directly amend the law via some majority is completely optional. There is no need to ever include that in the ballot proposition. Why are you choosing to completely ignore this clear fact?
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#96And that is why you should read the text of the laws that you vote for.
The game Kingdom of Loathing had (has?) a short literacy test that you had to take before using the ingame chat function. A part of me wishes that there was a similar test that you had to take before making claims about a law online.
It wouldn't be practical for things like the latest omnibus COVID stimulus bill, but Prop 22 is only ~15 pages. I've seen so many people spreading FUD about Prop 22. It's obvious when someone is just regurgitating something they saw elsewhere and saying things that are contradicted by the actual text of the proposition.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the 7/8 majority is nothing but lip service to being flexible. It is designed to be used the exact way you are doing now in debates like this. A majority that high is not feasible to actually be implemented.
??? Are you just ignoring everything we previously discussed? Having a way to directly amend the law via some majority is completely optional. There is no need to ever include that in the ballot proposition. Why are you choosing to completely ignore this clear fact?
I'm not ignoring anything. I am simply pointing out the 7/8 majority is so impractical that it is a worthless addition that only serves the appearance of making the law appear amendable but in practice it can only truly be amended by the popular vote.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because there is an existing large class of people (2 in 3 Americans) who have acted based on the idea that housing is a market and have bought a home on that basis. They have no interest in altering the status quo. To add to that, you can't choose what housing is priced by unless you have government price controls and that is a cure that's worse than the disease.
Singapore has some pretty nice public housing. If there was a government policy that any time median rents climb above X, the state will procure land and build housing until it drops below that number again, it might be more workable than the blunt instrument of price caps.
Public housing in thE US is almost entirely shitholes, though. It's better than being homeless, maybe. That's about it. That is the reason many large cities have torn most of it down and replaced it with section 8 vouchers. This scatters the ghetto-dwellers from their former high-rise islands into neighborhoods, which triggers flight by the existing residents since the people coming out of public housing are clueless about taking care of a property and being good neighbors.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, why can't we just say housing isn't a market, it's priced primarily for livibility and less for some concept of quality. Then living wage doesn't need to be opened to inflated housing markets.
Well, due to limitiations in supply, housing is market based on scarcity. There is no way to fix that without fixing the fundamental issue of insufficient supply.
Sounds good. Build more, subsidize buildings with lots of units, eliminate parking minimums, upzone popular areas, pay for public housing, and tax land in a way that disincentivizes surface parking lots.
All those seem doable to me, which would address your concerns. Any reason we couldn't do all that?
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why can we not agree that the people who do the job deserve to be compensated with a living wage Living wage based on locally inflated housing prices is just fundamentally broken concept. It is just ideological cover for wealth transfer from productive economy to landlords (by focusing on 'living wage' based on market housing costs and not on 'affordable rents' based on market wages). If there is an excess of worke…
> Living wage based on locally inflated housing prices is just fundamentally broken concept. It is just ideological cover for wealth transfer from productive economy to landlords (by focusing on 'living wage' based on market housing costs and not on 'affordable rents' based on market wages). Man, this is painfully true. Until California can decide between housing being affordable and housing being an asset that is gu…
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